Clones and Equipment/Weapons

[Skulking Shinzu]

Support Issue: Basic Rules
The Issue: Attempting to settle a debate:

Excluding certain Genjutsu techniques that specifically say they create a exact clone with the original's weapons/equipment, do any of the non-elemental clone techniques on the site create a clone with fully-functional equipment/weapons (Soul Split, Shadow Clones, etc).

By fully functional weapons/equipment, I mean bombs that function just like the original, scrolls/spell tags with the original's Jutsu still sealed inside, or weapons/armour that retain all the seals, material effects and other abilities of the original weapon/armour set?
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They all spawn with your equipped weapons, but share your pool of consumable or single-use items like explosions.

[Skulking Shinzu]

In this specific scenario, I'm assuming scrolls with Jutsu sealed inside count as consumables/single-use and so wouldn't be duped by Shadow Clones/Soul Split, correct?

If yes, and Shadow Clones/Soul Split it used, what happens? Do the clones end up with a scroll each (but blank/empty), or do they just simply appear empty handed if scrolls can't be duped by clones?

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These techniques are creating the appearance of all these things through soul/chakra whatever in the same way the clone has your appearance but couldn't for instance have its liver removed or vomit up food that only the original ate.

You use a source to create a copy of yourself, or in things like Soul Split, to split yourself in half. This is not the same as infinitely producing or faithfully copying the effects of everything you are carrying.

As a Kedoin, I can technically turn into an exact copy of a jutsu scroll, but i wouldn't be able to use the scrolls jutsu, and I'm actually rearranging my cellular structure to shift into things on a base level.

The clone would appear with your scrolls, but no, there wouldn't be anything 'in' them, because they are only facsimiles. If you have a starmetal weapon and make ten clones, you wouldn't now have ten starmetal weapons. The original would have one, and the clones would have a bunch of Chakra/soul in the form of your starmetal weapon. Same with scrolls. Same with explosives. If you're not actually giving your clones physical real items to hold at some point, they would have only Chakra copies of them that looked authentic but essentially did nothing.

[Starnaess]

so you and snow basicaly said two opposite things, Lol

the way i see it you have 4 versions of clones.

shadow clones who can do everything you char can but they are like baloons, you hit them with anything and they disappear.

elemental clones, that can only do things within the elements they were created with, fire clone crystal clone etc etc.

soulsplit, it literally splits your char in half creating a semi-perfect clone of yourself with 50% of his things-  so items, chakra hp , they split.  advantage, you cant kill it like a normal clone, disadvantage if it dies the other gets stunned and ofc you halved your resources.

my shadow, it gives you a shadow version of your character, an actual character that works just like yours with his own hp pool chakra pool and whatever else there is.

if we go by logic, you copy yourself and just like in the anime your copies do actual damage and so do their items just like the original - in here you just cant abuse it , say you copy yourself in a shop you sell all your shit you make money and then you bounce.

Making the items actually do nothing would make taijutsu focused characters completly useless for no reason and THAT doesnt make any sense.

because if your items do nothing then the taijutsu guy that has strong gloves and uses them do add to its dmg is fucked while a ninjutsu guy that couldnt care less for actual items and focuses his strategy on ninjutsu then suddently has advantage.

[👺 Usiel]

For replications, even the special ones they don't carry exact copies of all items. Items that do basic damage that are not one offs they can carry. Chakra Items do not replicate. One off items don't either like potions and pouches, in fact I have the mind that honestly no Alchemy should be replicated either since a lot of alchemical items act like "Chakra Items".

EDIT: Just in case if anyone is confused. Basically it doesn't matter what kind of replication it is. Equipment rules are pretty much the same.

EDIT 2: I wont lie though I do kind of like Snow's version, but my problem would be the Chakra Items (Also items with Jutsus).

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Items with jutsu still cost chakra or stamina or use some sort of charge system.


Which means if you were using clones you'd run the risk/reward of loading extra amounts of your chakra/stamina into each clone upon casting the clone jutsu. The positive being more effective and capable clones.

If you wanted to pump a lightning clone with 5S ranks of chakra that should be fine, but you obviously run the risk of the clone dying before it can release its energy thus resulting in your chakra being wasted.

As far as a chakra item problem. I'd have ruled something along the lines that each clone could have the ability to cast the chakra weapon. But you can't exceed the items limitations, so if it can only be cast a few times per day, using from the available pool of attempts regardless of physical chakra items, you still should be limited to the number you physically own prior to cloning.