increasing incentive for player interaction.

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Yoshine makes a good point. We all concede the point that dedicated, specific training IS the most effective way to learn new things. However, this "experience" idea brought up isn't without merits. I'm not sure I'm totally on board with it, but rewarding interpersonal relations may be a good way to get people out of these "Training|Private" threads.

I posit that IF (and I suspect it's a big if) something to this effect does end up being implemented it should be less immediately effective versus dedicated training. Perhaps half as effective, where the amount of material worth 10 Training Points would only be valued at say 5 "experience points" (for lack of a better name, after all youre gaining it by experiencing new things), which would themselves be stored and then expended on training points, ryo, or possibly even low-level mission credits. The idea comes from Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus, where you're awarded EXP at the end of each stage, and can choose to either put it towards your next level up or convert it into gil for ammo purchases and weapon upgrades. It felt like an elegant system. To compensate for the lower value o

As for scheduling "Double Points Time Periods" (weeks, weekends, whatever) with more advance warning, oh gods yes please. As for making them more regular but over a shorter period...I don't feel like it matters TOO much one way or the other, but if we start expecting them to crank out every x number of days that might make people get complacent. I say keep em random-ish, just warn us more.

[Moon]

i'm a new person, basically. i came to the site initially feeling really good about posting and rp'ing. i haven't posted in quite some time, specifically because the focus is impossibly rigged towards being in a thread by myself, and what from my vantage point appears to be an endless road of training. i can understand the reluctance not to just dump tp only because it would be 'unfair' to those who've had to train all bajillion of their points.

but why wouldn't an rp site reward rp, or want to? that seems cray cray to me. two pennies from a pleb.

[Draven]

On the opposite spectrum, I have trained my rear off. But honestly I don't mind if there is a bonus to rp.

Jan 2, 2016 13:22:47 GMT -7 Solus said:

Hrmmm, I would make a small adjustment instead to stimulate training together. I'd suggest making a system that favours those who are of lower level. For example, a +1 TP per post bonus for interactively training together, but a +2 TP per post bonus for the one learning a tech the other already knows. That way people will be inclined to train together, but there will be a slight bonus for the lower level guy. Also this will promote interaction between players that is not fighting but building plot through simple interaction. Also the bonus system itself is simple, simple wins the day xD

So to summarize:

Training Bonuses:

• Interactive training threads +1tp
  
• Learning a technique from another PC +2tp
• Components (training rooms): See component description
  

If staff are considering this, this is where it would most likely be placed.

I really like this idea. You have a potential for +4 tp extra TP every post if the following conditions are met. You are training with someone, training their techniques under their instruction, and training in a player made dojo. This can promotes a more team/master student atmosphere a lot more.

[Moon]

^I'd think that got away from the point; being rewarded for rp, encouraging player to player interaction, preventing the incentive to power-up alone, the resultant isolation. The constant bids to make negatively creativity draining training threads MORE rewarding, while awfully nice, aren't the concept this topic was made to introduce.


For clarification: Its cool you aren't against us being rewarded for rp, I saw that connection made to the original poster's inquiry.  But as a new guy, when I see you've got 10,000+, I feel a very distinct sense of forced distance between our characters, our roleplay possibilities, our mentalities, and its instant, bred of the systematic importance of tp.  Not to attack you or single you out in any way, but of course you don't mind.  You don't have to train ever again.

[👺 Usiel]

So I've known about this thread. I just haven't posted in it because I've been busy with many things. Do not take that as a "I don't want to deal with this" type of mentality.

I'll bring up some issues.

For those who are D and C Class and do not wish to interact with "A" And "S" Class characters I ask, why? Why not? "D" and "C" Class characters have a nice clause of not dying.

Every person is allowed to be evil as well, including the "D" and "C" Class characters. Go ahead and be Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic Evil. Just don't be Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic Stupid. If you're a "D" or "C" Class character who is evil, and being stupid about it then ya you're going to die because most likely you're the one that's outright attacking first and trying to overpower a powerful character.

If you're good and "D" or "C" Class the same applies. Don't be stupid. Yes you have this desire to stop a person from killing. Do it intelligently. Get help, use strategy. There are gadgets, scrolls, and other forms of combat that can be used to help. Hell if you can somehow destroy the pillars of a building and drop that building on the evil bastard, go for it. Use the environment around you.

NFRP has been pretty lenient towards lower class characters. We want interaction. Go ahead and do it. Chances of your character dying is small. So small in fact I'm surprised people are not being more abrasive.

For new people, please be mindful that the site is almost 10 years of age. There will be stronger people no matter what. Some day you'll have more TP than someone who just joined. That is inevitable. I will not alter that, and I will not make it easier for someone who just started to train up just because they came in late.

With that being said, I do want to give benefits for Interaction.

First thing I'm doing

When 2 people are Training together, it'll no longer take up a Training and an Interaction thread. It'll take up a Training thread from both parties. This will allow everyone to do interaction threads as well.

Crafting will take up a thread of its own. That'll bump up threads to 4 instead of 3. When 2 or more people are crafting together it'll take up a Crafting thread for both parties.

I AM considering in applying the suggestion Draven put up

Interactive training threads +1tp
Learning a technique from another PC +2tp
Components (training rooms): See component description

However I'm not too sure about it. I feel that +4, to +5 points may be a little much.

But at least with the 2 things I mentioned before, that should help with the training issue, and allow people to interact with each other more.

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i dont tend to train. like at all. been here for years and still haven't hit the top tier. so you know this is coming from someone without any personal involvement.

i like the "learning from another person" bonus. i appreciate that. it lends a degree of reality to a master-student relationship, because a master SHOULD be able to pass on his or her knowledge more efficiently than they gained it for themselves.

i can even i guess see the "training with a pal" bonus because ive heard (no personal experience sadly) that having a friend or rival on hand to do things with you helps push you harder.

so yeah. i am aaallll about the roleplaying aspects of this, and i really hope people play that up instead of just wanting the bonuses. one question though: do they stack? i really don't beleive they would or that it's even necessary (30% off all techs is a bit crazydiculous), but at the same time it's for the best if things are as clear-cut as humanly possible you know?


as for the crafting....yeah i dont know squat about crafting. i leave that to the rest of you to disseminate.

[Deleted]

👺 Usiel , thank you for responding to this thread, and taking what everyone has said into consideration. i'm very glad. i don't blame you for taking a long time to think it over either, lol.

first of all let me - at least me - be very clear: while everyone would have a pretty decent reason not to believe me in saying this, i actually wasn't talking about the ambition of just merking people like an asshole.

i have often complained before that for how combat-centric nfrp purports itself to be there is very little pc combat that goes on, and i personally interpret that as, yeah, kind of a problem - potential not maximized, if you will. but, i'm not presently advocating for the death-enabled rules to be removed or whatever.

my problem that i attempted to bring up here - regardless of subsequent commenters - is the lack of opportunities that the 'tp gap' and people's obsession with grinding presents for nfrp as a forum.

there is nothing preventing low tp and high tp characters from interacting casually - no, nothing at all (well, besides the general obsession with getting more tp that i have already spoken about, but that's kinda indirect). but this same disparity does prevent them from plotting in certain fashions - namely, any fashions that involve inter-player combat. any hostility whatsoever, really. it is wont to create stagnation. it also means that most events are geared towards higher-tier players, which is a problem in and of itself.

granting people the opportunity - even the incentive - to interact with each other in the meantime is one potential fix to this problem that i see (without just forcing a global tp wipe, which is a piss-poor solution, most likely.)

the steps you have said you will be taking i am personally a fan of, and i think it will do a lot to help with the 'issue'.

the things you have said you are considering rather than definitely implementing i am also an advocate for: incentivising interaction as opposed to simply making it "another option" might be necessary, or at least see a worthwhile return, if i'm being clear in my wording there.

i suppose it does sort of beg a question (which others have already brought up): which is more important, promoting interaction or making people spend that much more time grinding?

it's your site, so that is ultimately up to you to decide, and after saying this i reckon i might just leave it with you unless otherwise prompted.

again, thanks for reading.

[👺 Usiel]

I could increase Ryo prizes. That is on the table. I cannot add TP into the mix with interaction mainly because I want to make sure staff can easily go through training threads and find TP.