Chapter 399 Discussion

[N I R A S H I]

This chapter was informative. Great.

Why did Itachi follow those orders. I think he had to, becasue if he didn't he and his entire clan would probably be killed either way. Madara states that's when his hell began. Just think what else could Itachi do?

A. Kill his entire clan as ordered.
B. Say no and probably start a Konoha v. Uchiha
C. Try to get his clan to leave the village and run away, which probably wouldn't happen due to lack of followers and believes.
D. Run away himself

Look at this man's options, all of them lead to his clan dieing in the end period. He pretty much had no choice or option. What else could he do? Nothing. I think he killed his clan becasue it would be thorough and to his discretion, hence him leaving Sasuke alive. He probably knew he could only choose one person, and one person only to keep alive when killing the clan.

He rationalized the kill to. Anyones top options in kill a family and the members to leave alive would include, Mother, Father, Brother, Best Friend, Aunt, Uncle. Now before I continue this I would like to express a small theory.

Shinsui was in on it. During all of this commotion, somewhere before, Shinsui died and the one who was blammed was Itachi. I don't think it was a setup or fight or anything. I think Itachi told Shinsui about the set execution and Shinsui saw the pain and potential in his best friend. Shinsui probably knew if Itachi tried to take on all the Uchiha he would probably die, so I think Shinsui sacrificed himself and offered his life for Itachi to have Mangekyou. Itachi would need Sasuke's eyes for Eternal Mangekyou, but Shinsui's life would grant him the Mangekyou. I think Shinsui gave his life for the future of his clan which could come into realization through...Itachi's plan.

So that eliminates his best friend. Leaving his mother, father, brother, aunt, and uncle. He probably thought. Okay I'm killing this whole clan who could provide a future and carry the blood. Who can I supervise and indirectly drive to become the strongest ninja and proficient user of this clan and all it has to offer. My aunt and uncle are old in age and probably cannot reproduce or find partners for reproduction meaning the lineage of this clan would be short. Mother and father are a little younger, but I cannot keep both or watch over both. Sasuke is young, I can instill this fear and hatred in him which will cause him to train hard and probably lead to his activation of the Sharingan. He can reproduce for his sperm count should be high enough for reproduction. I can watch over him. Plus, if the village tried to kill this little kid and growing child many problems and questions would arise and the village's secret hit would be announced and they wouldn't want that. So, Itachi killed everyone beside Sasuke, which would make sense.

That's my theory on why Itachi followed the orders. Oh and I bet Kakashi has figured all of this out, including Itachi's true motives along with the village's order for the Uchiha Clan Extermination.

[dirge]

dude, nice

[keruliion]

I think your wrong on why he chose sasuke. I think he killed the rest of the uchiha clan because he was ordered to but I think he killed his parents because he really did love sasuke. Not in the gay way in the brotherly way. He probably hated the way that in many cases sasuke was ignored by his parents, also i think he could see madara in sasuke somewhere and thought he might be strong enough to kill him.

[N I R A S H I]

I think it is yet, 100% proven, that before this execution Itachi and Mandara had met. Now, how could Itachi kill his entire clan except his brother out of sheer love. His mother. His father. He didn't love the two who birthed him into the world enough to keep them alive, but his little brother, who bothered and always wanted his time, that's the one where my fountain of love belongs. I don't think so.

Sure, he maybe felt a little bad about not having time to spend and train with Sasuke as he would like, but I don't think when it comes to your whole family that stands out. Plus you have to think, he thought and planned this all before the killings. He couldn't just walk in and think about the deaths as they were done, he knew who he would kill and save before hand for sure.

See Mandara in Sasuke. Did he even know Mandara? I don't think it has been supported enough and clarrified yet. But in his brother he saw a strong, corrupted, and revengful ninja, why would he keep that alive, it could lead his clan further in the hole, becasue that is really what Mandara did, and lead to their extinction.

Meh..

[rawr]

Nirashi, do you remember the terms that Itachi and his parents were on? Itachi was constantly getting pushed to excell and always become better, faster and stronger by his father and the clan. It was obvious that Itachi didn't enjoy the pressure/stress of it all in the anime/manga. I could easily see Itachi growing to hate his father, his clan, and even his own mother. With everything that the clan and Itachi's father were pushing on Itachi? I could easily see him snapping.

And the one person left standing? Sasuke. Why? They actually had each others backs when they were younger; if they weren't hanging out, Itachi was helping Sasuke out. They were great brothers and probably closer to each other than their own parents. Keru's theory does make sense, if you're willing to give it a chance . - .

[👺 Usiel]

You guys are missing something. Itachi said that Madara helped in whiping out the clan.

So....someone is lieing in their story somewhere.

[keruliion]

Personally I think its Madara who has lied. Lets look at it from a logical point of view. If your gonna lie to some one as a form of manipulation your going to want to make sure that its a damn good lie and that it wont be found out. What better situation, Itachi is dead, Madara is the only other living uchiha and he is the only uchiha old enough if he is indeed madara to tell the story of the uchiha clan.

My theory still stands Nirashi think about it, classic example of how Itachi was very close to sasuke and cared about him very much. Cast your eyes back to the part when they are talking about shinsui's death in one of sasuke's flashbacks. What does Itachi do nearly start a fight. He says something about the uchiha clan and then what happens he see's sasuke. Drops to the floor begging for forgiveness yada yada yada. Now what does this mean I hear you cry? Simple he didnt want to expose his little brother to any violence from the uchiha clan. Sasuke could have ripped there legs off and beaten them to death with them while having afternoon tea with the queen of england and yet he didnt. Why? well its simple he didnt want sasuke's view of him to go down. Now onto my next case in argument. If your gonna wipe out an entire clan what purpose does leaving sasuke alive have. If he really wanted to do it he could just kill the clan, back stab madare easily then commit suicide. Killing sasuke in the process yet he does not. To be honest I think Itachi did see something of Madara in Sasuke. But that would have been reason to kill him. Why because he could probably see him turning into another madara. I think itachi left sasuke alive for one simple reason. He couldnt Kill him, Ive got sisters right I know there a different gender but my older step sister is a bouncer so she is pretty tough. The thing is i couldnt bring myself to really hit her let alone kill her. If any one touched her id rip there head off and serve it to them for dinner. Thats what its like when your a sibling and remember they where sibling and very very close at that.
-Argument End-

Madara is the one thats lieing.

[N I R A S H I]

Agreed. Somewhere in the story Mandara is probably lieing, however, the part revealing what occured during the murdering hasn't been revealed in Mandara's story. But Itachi could have lied as well. Lieing and telling Sasuke that Mandara helped would drive Sasuke to further hate, Mandara, and that's really what Itachi wants.

From what we've seen and heard from Itachi and Mandara, we can assume Itachi's main purpose or objective was to protect Sasuke from Mandara for the most part. Giving him the Mangekyou is an example of that and telling him Mandara assisted in the murdering of the clan would leave Sasuke more likely to stay away and seek to kill Mandara.

Now. Itachi's reason for leaving Sasuke.

May 12, 2008 5:28:36 GMT -7 @keruliion said:

My theory still stands Nirashi think about it, classic example of how Itachi was very close to sasuke and cared about him very much. Cast your eyes back to the part when they are talking about shinsui's death in one of sasuke's flashbacks. What does Itachi do nearly start a fight. He says something about the uchiha clan and then what happens he see's sasuke. Drops to the floor begging for forgiveness yada yada yada. Now what does this mean I hear you cry? Simple he didnt want to expose his little brother to any violence from the uchiha clan. Sasuke could have ripped there legs off and beaten them to death with them while having afternoon tea with the queen of england and yet he didnt. Why? well its simple he didnt want sasuke's view of him to go down.

The reason I disagree is becasue, how much could you see, realistically, in a child. Itachi was training, doing missions, ANBUing, most of the time so we can surely assume the time he spent with Sasuke wasn't too large. Itachi had been revealed to be a good guy so sure I can understand your statements about him wanting to shield and protect Sasuke from seeing his 'ninja' side if you will.

May 12, 2008 5:28:36 GMT -7 @keruliion said:

Now onto my next case in argument. If your gonna wipe out an entire clan what purpose does leaving sasuke alive have. If he really wanted to do it he could just kill the clan, back stab madare easily then commit suicide. Killing sasuke in the process yet he does not. To be honest I think Itachi did see something of Madara in Sasuke. But that would have been reason to kill him. Why because he could probably see him turning into another madara. I think itachi left sasuke alive for one simple reason. He couldnt Kill him,

Back stab Mandara...easily. Wow. If by backstab Mandara you mean kill, are you serious. Itachi was a teen, just got his Mangekyou, and probably wasn't profound in his skills with the doujutus. Mandara who has had and trained with the Mangekyou and even has an Eternal one, I doubt he would get beat by Itachi at that time. No way.

Mandara in Sasuke. Doubt it. If anything he saw someone who would rebel against Mandara and defeat him eventually. Itachi hated Mandara for some reason, probably for making the Uchiha the dogs of Konoha since he did go against the village. But I doubt he saw Mandara in his brother. I don't think he knew his brother that well, plus Sasuke had yet to develope too much as a ninja. That's why I stated Itachi chose Sasuke becasue he could easily watch over his brother and train him indirectly, by instilling the hate which drove him to become stronger as he is.

May 12, 2008 1:29:32 GMT -7 @rawr said:

Nirashi, do you remember the terms that Itachi and his parents were on? Itachi was constantly getting pushed to excell and always become better, faster and stronger by his father and the clan. It was obvious that Itachi didn't enjoy the pressure/stress of it all in the anime/manga. I could easily see Itachi growing to hate his father, his clan, and even his own mother. With everything that the clan and Itachi's father were pushing on Itachi? I could easily see him snapping.

And the one person left standing? Sasuke. Why? They actually had each others backs when they were younger; if they weren't hanging out, Itachi was helping Sasuke out. They were great brothers and probably closer to each other than their own parents.

Okay. I don't feel the manga has supported those statements thorough enough for them to be assumed. Sure, I can agree his parents probably pushed Itachi far, but I don't think they pushed him too far. Why? Becasue I think Itachi was naturally gifted. I believed his father stated to Sasuke about his brother's strenght and talent, and Sasuke could never compare. I pretty sure his father said things along those lines and inferred that, but I will do research.

Now Itachi not enjoying the stress is unapparent. I think when he was ordered to kill his clan and his friend, Shinsui died...I think all of that stress coming down on him so quickly was definitely a killer and struck him strong. I think it probably hindered him, but nothing too much. Now, why would Itachi hate his mother!? His father, I guess, highly doubt, but I could see provided more info reveals this. But his mother was caring and a merry person, as shown in the anime and manga, so him hating her is definitely out of the question and non-apparent in my mind. I definitely will need some proof of his mom pushing or annoying him.

Had each others backs. I don't know about that, but sure why not. I think Itachi wanted to protect and watch over his brother more than have his back as you state, but protecting is having a back so sure. xD

That's it for now.

[minamotoyoritomo]

[Im okayaki btw]

The thing is I still feel that Itachi couldn't Kill sasuke. I myself am and older brother and i swear to god any one hurts my little sister I would rip there head off. I'm sure itachi would do much worse. I think that when he was with sasuke he could relax. He was a top class ninja. A genius as so many stated he had the sharingan quickly and he was powerful no doubt about it so teaching sasuke shuriken techniques would be like a nap for him. He could do it with his eyes poked out. So i think his relationship with sasuke was much stronger than his parents. Ok onto him hating his father, this is a mix of things in my opinion there are many things that could bring him to hate his father. The first was the constant nagging or pushing that his father still gave him. The second because he was a prodigal was the loss of his childhood. Ok you may say where the hell did that come from but mastering the sharingan at like age six or something. Kids like that don't stay kids for very long especially ninja kids. I reckon he lost his childhood and he hated his father for that. He would also be pissed off with his father for the way he treated sasuke seeing as he wasn't a particularly nice father on many occasions. Onto the next port of call emi's point about his mother. Why would he hate her, she stood by and let his father get away with the way he treated him. She could have stopped there father from being a bastard or pushing itachi to hard but she didnt. But to be fair thats all I could really see other than she possibly force fed itachi vegetables when he was a child. I feel that ultimately Itachi didnt like his parents one bit. But he adored sasuke, one of the things that you have to remember is that Itachi would probably do anything for sasuke even sacrifise his sharingan to protect sasuke. You saw what he did with his mangekyou.

Thats all i can really say, Nirashi your rebuttal?

[N I R A S H I]

Okay we have both stated reason. The chapter comes out tomorrow, so we shall see.

From what I've read, we can summarize this as so.

Nirashi says: Itachi left Sasuke alive to protect, his brother, and to continue the bloodline. Also to watch over his brother and track his progress, growth, or whatever, until he got stronger.

Okayaki says: Itachi left Sasuke out of sheer love and inability to kill his brother.

Right? Wrong? No? Yes? Nay? Yay?