Training thread.

[zenoske1ryu]

Name: Ryu
Age: 18
Gender: Male
Type of Complaint: Unfairness
Insident Link: narutoforumrp.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=villageofsnow&action=display&thread=73329&page=1
Complaint:

Apparently I get 24 tp for my 2108 words. This doesnt include the introduction 727 words just explaining how I get there etc.

I dont think that this is fair in the slightest, its broken up in to on average 422 words a post so its hardly like its small posts.
Also would anyone care to inform me when learning the seals for a tech wasn't actually training, because last time I checked if you dont do the seals, then the tech doesn't happen.

I dont think learning seals flies for a training and even then its WAYYYY more seals than those lol

I personally dont see the problem of having under a 3rd of the tp coming from seals. Given that each post is like what 5 minutes, so thats 15 minutes in total and Im ment to be able to remeber this for like forever. After all its an A ranked techique so I have to learn twenty four of them. To me if I dont need to learn them then does this mean I automatically know what technique the enemy is going to use against me in future fights because I learned ever combination of seals in school at the age of like 7.

Solution:

I would like my thread regraded, by a higher member of staff. And clarfication on what can be included in a training thread, as if seals are a no no then perhaps using the techique also doesnt count ?

[|Ayame Unbound|]

Okay, I'll grade it. Just remember that complaining about grades gives you a lower grade. However I'll look through it and give it my honest grade. Unless you feel someone has a personal vendetta against you I don't ever want to see a complaint about training again. Each person grades differently.

Edit: Done.

[zenoske1ryu]

I understand that everyone grades differently, we are all different people after all. But I fail to see how anybody can say that learning seals for the teachnique isnt part of training after all you have to remeber this technique for ages, you might not use it in months, but when the time comes you have to recall the seals correctly and fast else your going to die. To me its just as important if not more important that practising the actuall end product of the technqiue.

[|Ayame Unbound|]

If you go read your training thread you'll see I graded it and what the problem with it was.

[Defiant]

Utterbullshit.

[|Ayame Unbound|]

What's that Blue? Please refrain from posting unless its constructive. Considering Ryu is apparently quitting I'll go ahead and lock this.

[Defiant]

You are 100% right. First I'd like to repost what I posted this morning on my phone.

Oct 24, 2011 7:39:24 GMT -7 Defiant said:

I'm calling absolute bullshit on that "can't learn orally shit." that's an absolute lie and all of you know it. Ryu is hardly my friend, but like fuck would I ever let one of my villagers be abused by some shit you just made up to try and fuck him over. Ryu, go to support and look up a thread called knowledge is power, the people who posted there agree one doesn't have to learn a nutshell trough mindless repetition, including myself and heero.

Can't learn orally, what absolute shit. I guess you learn to be. Surgeon through trial and error huh? Or are there explanations on organs and their functions before you just start stabbing up a cadaver? I'm pretty sure there are.

Ialso want to know what kind of staff member grades training without knowing what the fuck they're grading.

Now that I'm in a more calm and relaxed environment, let me add something constructive, and let me state my opinion in a calm and sensible manner.

Ryu's first two posts were most definitely not training, and he most likely knew that. The third post is where the training begins, but before I get into that, I want to ask, if you were learning about computer hardware, do you not learn how circuits work first, and safety protocol, and then the functions of parts before you get to take apart a computer?

Of course you do, I should know, I've been in computer engineering and robotics for 3 years. They don't' just throw you a computer and a box of parts and you learn by trial and error, so why is this any different? Using chakra is using your life energy, so to try over and over to preform an S rank technique without any instruction is just begging for your character to die of chakra over usage. Not being told of and instructed on the safety risks is a hazard, and is part of the learning experience. Learning the limitations, the dangers, the benefits of the technique is ALL part of the learning experience.

There is never a single class ever in all of any sort of schooling where they just give you a bunch of shit and then a picture of the finished product and say "make that". There's nothing. They instruct you and explain things to you along the way so you know how to do it, and the only time they ever do something like that is the final test, OR they're testing your prior knowledge on the subject.

Also, Ayame and Naota, if you're going to grade something, it's really, really fucking helpful if you actually know what the technique is. I can bet that if anyone else had just started training without posting the technique, you would have asked, but I can't help but feel that you decided "well hey, this seems like the perfect opportunity to fuck over Ryu. Let's do it."

Oct 23, 2011 21:44:01 GMT -7 |Ayame Unbound| said:

A) Oral training? All of the classes I've ever taken required assignments or hands on training, not just a lecture. You can tell me how to throw a punch all you want, I can't learn it unless I try. You can get corrected sure, but you have to do it to learn it.

B) You didn't post your tech so no way I can know that.

C) It's been stated countless times that those are no longer valid, just not yet changed. A rank tech takes way more seals then that. All techniques the hand seal portion, even if not yet edited, is considered "Hand Seals".

B) You didn't post your tech so no way I can know that.

Good job.

Now, I'm not going to say that you are singling out Ryu in this, because that speaks for itself, but I am going to say that if you're going to try and use something they do against them, it would be helpful if you're not guilty of it too. I'm not going to go through every one of your grades and find all the ones you gave +8 or +10 to that were hand seal training, or auditory training, but if you truly believe that what you did was cool and fine because no one likes Ryu, then I will gladly find every single one of them from the moment you two became staff, and they best be voided lest you be called a hypocrite for it.

I hope that was constructive and helpful enough to the situation for you, Lady Ayame.

[👺 Usiel]

Alrighty I guess it's time for me to get involved. I'll be going through every single individual post, issue out warnings if need be and etc. I'll also go through the training posts and see which TP is closer to accurate, Ayame's or Sky's or someone elses all together. Just note I wont be grading it because I'm a hardass when it comes to training and well most likely you will get even lower grade. This is a fact statement. I'll be making another post.

What I decide is what I decide. I will post as indepth as possible. After that any counter arguments will be placed into deaf ears because you've already made your counter statements. I'll be taking both statements into consideration.

Basically, I'll be the tie breaker.

[👺 Usiel]

Double Post!

First and foremost. Congrats. I'm impressed. I'm surprised how much I hate the whole changing tables shit in a training post and will make sure I don't see these again in training because it's an optical illusion that someone actually wrote good without even reading anything. So, yeah for now on I don't ever want to see those kinds of posts.

1st post. I'd given 0 points. Why? Because you just entered and that's it. You also told us what Jutsu you were going to use so yay.

2nd post. Labyrinth? What labyrinth? There's like a few rooms <_< It's not a big ass building. 3 major paragraphs was you...still inside and like positioning yourself. 3rd paragraph is you introducing yourself. I'd give you 0 points for this as well.

3rd post. 1 paragraph of fluff. 2 paragraphs of fluff. 3rd paragraph has some info in it that's nice. That's some learning or training of how it works looking good. Now the handseals is an issue because it's stated in the battle thread to ignore what kind of handseals there are. In fact best way to state is to say that they showed you a series of handseals and you tried to mimic them in some way. This also means that people don't stay there for too long when dealing with the handseals. I'd give you 2 training points and that's me being nice. The explanation was nice and all but there was really nothing within it.

4th post. 1st paragraph. Really? we're going through the whole first paragraph talking about 2 handseals? You're a "C" Class ninja close to "B" Class and your teacher is telling you to slow down on doing 2 handseals? What's going to happen? Explosion in the face? Actually, that would have been cooler and I would gladly have given points. 2nd paragraph miss-information due to not reading the Battle Rules. A Rank Jutsu is actually 24 handseals. It is not 6. I also don't see any training within the second paragraph other than you stating "I got 6 handseals". Look I know this is an A Rank Jutsu but already 4 posts in and I'm bored. First your teacher to say to slow down, and now he's saying relax you are to tense. I don't see much learning within the final paragraph but more reiteration in what was stated beforehand and that you must relax. Points? 2

5th post. -starts to drool- 5th post and still handseals. Alright look. Blue is right in whole verbal training. I understand that, but we're still on the god damn handseals. Handseals shouldn't be much of an issue. Why are we on the 5th post and still going through this! Training through verbal training, or sight training is awesome. Hell meditation training is awesome. A few examples, learning perhaps one of the Theories and histories of the technique could help a person understand the technique itself. Perhaps getting the understanding of how it's created in which it starts within the stomach that allows the user to bellow out the chakra infused air to formulate the fire that is bestowed upon them. 5th post, still handseals. I'd given 0 points.

6th Post - 2 paragraphs of explaining in which was explained during the I think third post. Yes, Fire element, we got it, we know. Let's move on. There was actual some practicing, but so little of it I like it more, but yeah 3 points.

7th and last post ohhhhh yeah. Whoot finally! At the end of the motherfucking rainbow! Will this be the training that should get more than 5? Will there be a double rainbow all the way? Let's find out! 1st paragraph, fluff, so far no double rainbow. You know, this would be a good post if it was post number 2. You're getting into it, writing some stuff, but there's just sooooo little info into it. 5 points I'd given.

Sooooo with me I'd say 11. And that's me being honest, and actually giving in-depth descriptions.

Alright now I understand what Blue was saying. I don't mind odd training. I don't mind visual training. But 5 posts worth of handseals? Come on now. Let's use some creativity into this. After awhile it became repetitive. Actually no I'm sorry, it's not 5 posts of handseals, it's like 2 posts of handseals and 2 intro posts filled with a lot of fluff and not enough info in between to actually warrant training. Hell Blue I'd be on your side with what you said but none of that was listed or stated within his training. I really wanted to agree with you. I really did, but his posts were sub-par.

So yeah, that's my answer. Should have kept the 30. Try harder next time, take what I said and try using it.

Now then show some respect, the Headmod knows what they are doing. They don't hold out vendettas against people. Not worth their time, and no one is that awesome. We'd just ban those types of people.