Stupidity knows no bounds.

[Kuro]

Name: Kuro
Age: ??
Gender: Male
Type of Complaint: Unfairness
Insident Link: Where else but the Box, the only place complaints ever come from.
Complaint:

Really? Ban me because I'm stating you're wrong. So you ban me? Man up and admit you were wrong. Quit hiding behind power? This goes to every single staff member on this site.

:.Kuro: I'm trying to prove that point
08/03/12 21:07
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Bye Kuro
08/03/12 21:07
:.Kuro: You're wrong. You're enforcing a false rule
08/03/12 21:07
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Enough. I have told you already
08/03/12 21:06
:.Kuro: he was right there in a box?
08/03/12 21:06
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: It's funny that you are still going
08/03/12 21:06
:.Kuro: Why?
08/03/12 21:06
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: If you need to let him know. Tell him on a messanger
08/03/12 21:06
:.Kuro: Yet it wasn't staff related.. funny how that works right?
08/03/12 21:06
Beautifying: I think I'm going to go back to trainning.. (sad2)
08/03/12 21:06
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Staff*
08/03/12 21:06
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: I don't care what it was about. You know he is Kage
08/03/12 21:06
:.Kuro: fucktard
08/03/12 21:05
:.Kuro: Sorry my Kage is staff account
08/03/12 21:05
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: The rule is right there
08/03/12 21:05
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: No. I'm not wrong. You broke a rule
08/03/12 21:05
:.Kuro: lol, cuz you were blatantly wrong?
08/03/12 21:05
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Another word and you're out of the box
08/03/12 21:05
Beautifying: *skips around Kurenai in a circle* (dance)
08/03/12 21:05
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Kuro. I'm done with you
08/03/12 21:04
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: So I don't want to let you go for it, and either get removed after you finish it or mid way
08/03/12 21:04
Okami: i see
08/03/12 21:04
Okami: so it's not a head staff thing?
08/03/12 21:04
:.Kuro: You don't care? Yet you tell me to tell you that it's Kage thing.. not be childish about it..
08/03/12 21:04
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Send him a PM. It's something that I know he said he didn't like much
08/03/12 21:04
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: It's Heero
08/03/12 21:04
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Okami. I can't decide about that seal
08/03/12 21:04
Okami: not really a general staff comment
08/03/12 21:04
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: I don't care Kuro
08/03/12 21:04
Okami: that was aimed at kure specifically
08/03/12 21:04
:.Kuro: I straight up said right away it's not staff related
08/03/12 21:03
:.Kuro: 08/03/12 20:57 :.Kuro: psh 08/03/12 20:57 :.Kuro: you expect me to train?? 08/03/12 20:56 :.Kuro: It's not staff related 08/03/12 20:56 :.Kuro: what?
08/03/12 21:03
Dat Raikage: that really wasnt fucking needed
08/03/12 21:03
:.Kuro: btw Kure
08/03/12 21:03
Dat Raikage: Wow Okami
08/03/12 21:03
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: >_>
08/03/12 21:02
:.Kuro: fact
08/03/12 21:02
Okami: kure
08/03/12 21:02
Okami: maybe if staff could do things in less than a week or two
08/03/12 21:02
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: I was sick of people bothering me in the box
08/03/12 21:02
Dat Raikage: *shot down*
08/03/12 21:02
Dat Raikage: ;-;
08/03/12 21:02
Dat Raikage: wow
08/03/12 21:01
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: I was the one that had it made
08/03/12 21:01
Dat Raikage: i dont mind being asked to check pms
08/03/12 21:01
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: No it's not
08/03/12 21:01
Dat Raikage: besides it's a Heero rule.
08/03/12 21:01
Dat Raikage: Its really dumb
08/03/12 21:01
Dat Raikage: please dont fight guys
08/03/12 21:01
Dat Raikage: What the hell
08/03/12 21:01
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: You could have said "Sorry man, it was Kage related." Not act like a child
08/03/12 21:01
:.Kuro: so get over yourself
08/03/12 21:00
:.Kuro: I broke no rule
08/03/12 21:00
Okami: why doesn't the rule say "don't notify members they have a pm"
08/03/12 21:00
:.Kuro: Ya
08/03/12 21:00
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: I'm being the dick?
08/03/12 21:00
:.Kuro: Wow, way to be a dick
08/03/12 21:00
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Wait like everyone else does
08/03/12 21:00
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: I don't give a fuck
08/03/12 21:00
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: No they are not
08/03/12 21:00
:.Kuro: I'm asking him as RAIKAGE
08/03/12 21:00
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Nothing about it being training, or anything else
08/03/12 21:00
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Can you not fucking read. It says don't notify a staff they have a PM
08/03/12 21:00
:.Kuro: those rules are aimed at pestering staff to grade/check things
08/03/12 20:59
:.Kuro: Ya really
08/03/12 20:59
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Wow. Really?
08/03/12 20:59
Tieren: The rules say don't notify staff you sent a PM. Clearly Naota isn't staff. He's Dat Raikage. *shot repeatedly*
08/03/12 20:59
:.Kuro: Fuck off. Those rules stipulate nothing towards what I did.
08/03/12 20:59
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: No you won't you'll follow the rules like everyone else
08/03/12 20:58
Dat Raikage: I feel really bad about it
08/03/12 20:58
:.Kuro: and it's fine Naota
08/03/12 20:58
:.Kuro: Kurenai.. I'll do as I please?
08/03/12 20:57
Dat Raikage: I really do, sorry for making you wait so long.
08/03/12 20:57
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Don't notify him, lol
08/03/12 20:57
Dat Raikage: I apologize
08/03/12 20:57
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Doesn't matter
08/03/12 20:57
Dat Raikage: Kuro
08/03/12 20:57
Dat Raikage: lol
08/03/12 20:57
:.Kuro: psh
08/03/12 20:57
:.Kuro: you expect me to train??
08/03/12 20:56
:.Kuro: It's not staff related
08/03/12 20:56
:.Kuro: what?
08/03/12 20:56
Tieren: We have rules?
08/03/12 20:54
Kurenai {Mod Mode}: Kuro you know the rules
08/03/12 20:54
:.Kuro: Naota, check out your pms
08/03/12 20:45
Dat Raikage: gj
08/03/12 20:43
EPengiun: I got acceptec!! (hooray) (hoeray)

Solution:

I read complaints and moaning threads about people being wrongfully banned, lots of times I agree with them but can see the staff side. Though here, I sit and I wonder where the logic behind your pissy attitude is? You were wrong. You said I was wrong, and I was in no mood to be told I'm breaking a rule when the rule clearly holds a double standard.

It gets old, I simply stated that Naota needed to check his pms. I was pming him about his Raikage duties and a Quest thread that he was involved in. Was I asking him to grade my character? Nope. Grade training perhaps? As if... nope, just pming him about Cloud Related information. Though clearly, that breaks a rule because his Raikage account is also a Moderator account. You have to be fucking kidding me! Change that rule to specify, "Don't tell staff they have a pm if it's 'staff related' requests," Or forbid the ability to be a Kage/Staff member on the same account.

Oh and really unban me, cuz that's by far the dumbest ban I've seen staff do in a long time.

[Kuro]

PS


I applaud your ability to do jack shit heero .. I really do.

I retract above statement heero because I forgot you're taking a minivaca from the site. So your need to be involved isn't there. Enjoy your vacation.


As for an added note to give this post actual reasons. What I did by posting to Naota is soo much more annoying than seeing constant people spam links of char subs which is allowed in the box. Hmm, ya that's totally reasonable *nods* /sarcasm...

[👺 Usiel]

You know what I could remove the ban for the rule because I guess we could say "Alright it's not for Staff" but then you told him to fuck off, you called him a retard.

Ban stands.

[Kuro]

Ya because he's arguing saying I'm wrong. When clearly there isn't a rule being broken. For all he knew, I could have been pming Naota, just to say "hi" but nope, he jumps on his high horse and goes Kuro you know better *finger wag*

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But I'll take the ban, that's fine. I used harsh language and probably hurt his feelings. But I'm tired of seeing staff think a rule is being broken and just jumping in and going ban. Instead of, I don't know discussing it?

[Logi Shimizu]

Kuro, stop being purposefully argumentative. You know yourself that you broke that rule, you just didn't want to get banned. It clearly states there to not notify staff of any PM's. Sure, it's not staff related, but he is still staff. Rule was broken. Ban was deserved.

Not to mention how much of a dick you were acting like once Kure reminded you that you broke it. The ban wouldn't have happened if you didn't start flaming him. Why cant people just learn to fucking deal with the consequences?

[hokosha]

From what's been provided, it doesn't seem like Kuro was banned for breaking the rule against notifying staff members they've been PM'd. His 'notification' occurs at 8:54 and he isn't banned until presumably some time after 9:07. Perhaps it would be easier to see this as a legitimate punishment for the 'breaking' of a rule if it had been done immediately. But it wasn't. Kuro was banned because he kept responding in the cbox after Kurenai said "enough".

Kuro, stop being purposefully argumentative. You know yourself that you broke that rule, you just didn't want to get banned. It clearly states there to not notify staff of any PM's. Sure, it's not staff related, but he is still staff. Rule was broken. Ban was deserved.

The attitude displayed here (and forgive me for the assumption of attitude, as this is a text medium and I'm unable to distinguish your particular tone), but the general level of 'authority' you seem to believe you've obtained from having a slightly different color name, is perhaps taken a bit far. What needs to 'stop' is staff members not doing their job, and then using their staff powers to cover up the fact by enforcing a rule in an arbitrary and unnecessary manner.

If you are a staff member, and I go into the cbox, and I say "Kurenai, I sent you a PM", of course you're doing your job my informing me that i'm not allowed to do so. If I respond by saying "Oh, its not staff related, its about the village, since you're my Kage" again, you would be doing your job by informing me that "Hey, it doesn't matter, I understand what you're saying, but you can't notify a staff member that you've PM'd them, regardless of what its about". You don't have to keep explaining, and you don't have to inform me of 'why' this rule is in place. Just the same as I don't have to think its fair. But if I tell you to "Fuck Off"....ban me. At that point, i've gone beyond the somewhat breaking of a rule, i've gone beyond the warning, and i've crossed right over into baiting/flaming.

Why was this not done? Not in the interest of 'trying to be nice', before someone attempts to offer that up as a reasoning, because a few minutes later, Kurenai's responding with "Can't you fucking read".

It appears that Staff Members have no problem with breaking the rules, so long as they are able to chastise you for breaking/forgetting/somehow violating an obscure non-specific clause that was admittedly created for the sole purpose of appeasing one staff members personal irritation at yet another aspect of their 'job'. You have no problem with baiting and flaming, so long as you are able to return that behavior AND have the final word.

Have any of you really taken a look at the things you've said? "Rule was broken, ban was deserved". What? You are not a totalitarian dictator, this is not a small militarized country in the wilds, and 'banning' is not a 'punishment'. He can't type a few phrases into public view as often as he did before for approximately seven days. And he's stated several times,(as well as in the post immediately proceeding Logi's own) that he will take the ban. So what purpose does anyone else have for continually adding to the drama of the situation.

This seems less an issue of what Kuro said or didn't say or send, and more an issue of why Staff Members are allowed to make a situation worse, when their primary function is to help things become easier/simpler/make more sense/better.

As it stands, staff members have effectively set themselves up to be above reproach; you are able to flame, bait, antagonize, fight, and insult whoever you wish, so long as they do it to you first. Then after you're done, and you've realized that you're not smarter than the person you insult, or more popular, or clever, or funny, then you ban that person and say "it was because you continued it". Then you have several other staff members (the same staff members who have no issue grading each other's training within seconds of it being posted, and giving out essentially what are +10's-for-being-staff as, let me say, simply from the perspective of one who reads quite a lot, very few of you deserve) come into the thread and co-sign each others obvious and blatant abuse of "power". I put "power" in quotation marks because; you're function is to HELP the site.

Why on earth do any of you behave in this way? You're not here to be impressive and ever since Naitome first asked me to come to this site, I've watched and read the cbox, and only seen an endless repetition of staff members come into the chat, with the purpose of impressing someone. I watched Naitome come into the box, say something offensive, and proceed to insult every single staff member who came in, going so far as to call them 'fag, idiot, douche, tool" etc, he's been in arguments with both headmods simultaneosly, and he ended up leaving the chat himself far before anyone even thought of banning him. He's my brother, and I'm not saying this to go against him, but even that is unnecessary and uncalled for.

If someone breaks the rules, inform them of what they've done, and ban them once they continue to break it. What is the point of instigating things further? Seemingly, to have some sort of contest with those 'under' you in power. As a new member to the site, this is perhaps the most daunting obstacle of all to roleplaying here. It's almost considered an 'unspoken rule' that staff members will abuse their positions, and that we will simply be forced to endure it. The above argument is a perfect example of this occurring. If you're going to carry the title and the responsibility, then carry it with some measure of dignity. All that happened here was that several ego's were harmed, and that seems a relatively unimportant loss, all things considered.

You've gotten rid of Battle Moderators, perhaps the only non-biased, non-staff 'clique' position that can be counted on for fair judgment, and set up affairs so that you can't even be notified when people have waited a week, two weeks, a month to have something looked at. You enter the cbox and further antagonize people and events, even if the 'event' occurring is an obvious mistake. And you want to be shown respect for this?

I am frightened by the startling realization of how few of you seem to deserve your positions, in my opinion.

The above comments are stated simply to express my opinion on the matter. I do not expect them to be weighed too heavily with anyone elses actions, but perhaps some perspective might be nice.

I have no idea whether or not I'll be able to enjoy myself on this site. And amazingly, a part of that enjoyment directly correlates with the people 'running' NFRP.

[ladymia]

It's a retarded rule, that needs to be fixed. " Members may not ask staff to check staff related PMs " is what the rule should be . If members are allowed to ask other members to check their PMs, but not staff, then we're making it out as though staff are better than everyone else, which is just wrong.

I don't agree with the ban. And yes, you got angry, and threw a few insults, but you're only human. When you disagree with someone, and you think they're being unfair, you tend to insult them. Staff does it too, so seriously, cut him some slack, Kuro is generally really friendly and a nice guy, so this isn't him trying to be a dick, its just a natural reaction thats understandable.

I see higher staffs opinion too, he still broke a rule. But the rule shouldn't be there to begin with, or at least it should have been more clear. More importantly, no matter what way you look at this, he has a point. Naota said himself:

Dat Raikage: i dont mind being asked to check pms

so clearly, it isn't a rule that governs the opinion of all staff. It's stupid.

Remove the ban, fix the rule. Forgive and forget, no one meant any harm. Its a misunderstanding, and both Kuro and staff are to blame.

[Logi Shimizu]

If I came across as a dick, then that is because I was being one. Now by now I'm sure you know I'm by far not the nicest staff member around. I don't care that my name is a different colour, it could be rainbow-coloured for all I care. What I don't do is I don't spend fifteen hours arguing about something incredibly stupid. It doesn't matter whether the rule is stupid or not. If it is, it will be fixed in the future, staff aren't all bad people.

So yeah, I was being an incredible dick. The point of the matter is, Kuro still broke a rule. Like kaiju said, Kuro wasn't banned for breaking that particular rule, but in all his rageness, he broke another, more important rule. Now most people on this site decide to treat staff as the bad guys because ''we enforce non specific rules''. Guess what? As staff, that's part of what we have to do. I can't believe you guys seriously think that anyone on staff is instantly a dick. If a nice person becomes staff, every single one of you (I can say so from experience) will begin to treat him like scum. So yeah, as staff we enforce those ''non specific'' rules, we act like dicks sometimes, but we help you guys out when you need it. In return, we get seen as the bad guys of the site. Seems fair, doesn't it?

Okay. So the rule is stupid, I'm being a dick. One point still stands however. Kuro no doubtedly flamed Kurenai first. This is why the ban should still stick. Kitty, it doesn't matter that we're human, its not like some magical force took Kuro and controlled what he said. He did what he did, and he has to deal with the consequences.

After a bit of thinking, I decided to step down. My reasons? Over the time of me being staff, NOTHING positive has happened. I didn't really add to the site via projects (or any other way really) simply because there was no opportunity for me to do so. As a moderator, you do a ton of (mandatory) work, but in return get instantly marked as a prick because of all the old members telling new members that staff are dick. So yeah, by stepping down I am saving myself from having to do useless jobs like grading, and actually giving myself the chance to speak to new members without them seeing me as a dick before we even started to talk. This is not a 'spur of the moment' thing XD I've actually thought about this quite thoroughly. Sure, there's a few 'powers' that I'm giving up, but overall, the pros outweigh the cons. Grey me up, Heero ;D

[Kuro]

So if you can willingly be a dick, why don't you have a 33% warning? You're purposely being a dick right? *shrugs*


Want me to point out nice staff members who don't go flaunting the power around? I can do that. Just about all of your Assistants. Tieren and Koori as moderators. They act like they are regular members when they are in the box, god forbid that be a possibility for other staff members.


As for your reference to my statement of Unspecific rules, I'm referencing the fact that the rule is up to prevent us from constantly pestering staff in the cbox about PM's regarding needing grades and things moved. But the moment a message about something completely non-staff related is brought up, it's no different? Why? As stated above, I can go "Hey Raikou, I sent you a message, you should check it out bro!" and I'm in the clear, why? Simple he's not staff, but if I do that involving someone like Naota, oh no Kuro's breaking a rule. It's a joke.

[Logi Shimizu]

LOL. Ninja'd me as I was editing my post. This is exactly what I mean in my last paragraph. But whatever XD

Your argument is invalid sir, I am no longer staff.

Edit: And by the way, being a dick doesn't mean flaming.

[Kuro]

First and foremost, "Purposely being a dick" can be seen as Baiting or Flaming, even at times trolling. Context is key after all. Though you being staff or regular member doesn't disprove my points at all. I'm banned for using harsh languages/telling a staff member that he has a pm not staff related. You being a dick, could come off as baiting me or even flaming me, so why wouldn't you be punished? Staff and members both can receive warnings/punishment. Though pushing for it is pointless and pushes further away from the topic at hand.

I'm mainly attempting to have that rule either removed or remodeled to state the obvious. "Don't notify staff members they have a PM, if the PM is staff related". You can keep that as a rule, I'm fine with it and understand that. But I find the idiocy behind the idea of me not being able to tell Naota he has a PM involving the Village that I'd like him to take a look at.

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stupid typos..

[Logi Shimizu]

By 'being a dick', I meant not beating around the bush. If I have something to say to someone, I won't be nice and informative to them about it. I will tell them straight up that what they did was wrong and bears consequences. Whatever, I'm really bored of this argument now XD

[Rarilue]

You just make me laugh logi. I`ll give a few quotes if you don`t mind.

-1.

Also, if Heero wants to go ahead and gimme the warning, he can for all I care ^_^

-2.

I said this thread could be locked. but anyways, you didn`t need to apologize if you didn`t meant it then that`s okay.

-1.

I tried to set things straight, but you're still going on about this.

You no longer exist to me.

you remember where those were from? From the last 3 posts of a complaint I made. The "1" are you quotes and the middle one is mine. I also like to correct you in your post in this thread, you`re not a dick logi. You`re just a child, nothing more and nothing less. Awwww, little baby didn`t get to look so humble and modest for accepting a warning so that why he mad?

But don`t worry logi, even though you`ve been giving me shit since then whenever you can, you`ll just get the mod stuff w/e you want so easily. Should I post your application as prove?


Anyways, sorry, I just been wanted to say something to him. Anyways, since others been posting here I`ll just say something. Kuro actually thought he wasn`t breaking rules so he came up pretty stingy. I won`t post in the thread anymore.