Meaningful traits?

[zenoske1ryu]

So at the moment, there is limited customisation outside of the things we learn. So we learn boxing for example, but how about traits that are based on the characters personality, background, or physique.

This opens up room for lots of different traits that could help customise characters and make everyone more unique. For example two taimasters of equal rank, would be as fast/strong as each other regardless of size weight etc.

So any thoughts on the idea?

[j]

I'm having a little trouble following, but I think I get what you're saying, and it sounds interesting. So, you're talking about different traits within specialists and masters? Would help if you cleared this up first.

[zenoske1ryu]

If two characters have the same techniques, and same specialities then at the moment they preform the same.

I'm just suggesting that the traits of the characters could have more of a meaningful effect, so one character might be 175lb and the other 500lb yet they both move at the same speed at the moment.
Other examples could be that one is calm and cool headed were as the other is more aggressive.
For example of a trait and its effects.

Musclebound
Benefit: Stronger than the standard character
Drawback: Less dexterity than a standard character

Could be specialists and masters to make a more defence or offence orientated character or as a stand alone general set of traits.

[Uchiha Rogue]

Since we don't use quantifiable measurements, it would be difficult for us to reasonably determine the differences. While I would be all for creating uniqueness, with our use of the honour system, we just wouldn't be able to correctly use a system like this.

[♥ a s h u r a]

I had an idea, inspired by Xbox, so bear with me. I'm high.

RP'ers could gain these 'meaningful traits' in a manner similar to earning achievements. Essentially, the traits are specific techniques which pertain to having a specific character build or going through specific character experiences. Each character can only gain (just throwing numbers out there) 3 total 'trait techniques', depending on if they meet certain criteria.

So for instance;

Musclebound
Rank: B
Type: Trait
Effect: The user is incredibly strong, displaying strength that places them above their peers.
Drawback: The user is less dextrous/agile than a character without this trait; though this determination is still gathered by considering character types. A taijutsu master with the 'Musclebound' trait will still be more dextrous/agile than a non-taijutsu master without the 'Musclebound' trait.
Description: The user is stronger than the standard character. While this does not mean they instantly overpower opponents, it does mean that in a contest of equivalent skill, or against a character that is the same rank/type but does not possess this trait, the user will be more physically powerful and resistant to damage than normal.
Limit: Must be above what is considered standard weight/height ratio for a character of their age. Must at least be a Taijutsu Specialist. Once a character has reached C rank, this trait is received automatically.

or something to that effect. Once 10 or so of these are created (some can even relate to character alignment, such as 'Savagery' for Evil Characters, allowing them to fight in a more unpredictable/animalistic manner and take more damage at the expense of thinking rationally or whatnot). Once a trait is 'unlocked' the character chooses them and can't change them, unless their character develops in ways (in the case of musclebound, such as radically losing weight due to plot and no longer meeting the height/weight restriction) that would take away the trait naturally. It could also be restricted in the manner of only allowing traits to be changed once a character has reached the next power level (so a C rank nin with Musclebound can't change that trait until they RP out a reasonable explanation for their height/weight change, like aging, and reach B rank in power level).

Just a suggestion,and i'm sure its full of holes, but i'm also sure whatever those holes are, they could be fixed. It would literally take coming up with what, 5-10 'trait' techniques. Could be done/implemented in like....a day.

[Deleted]

Personally, I love the idea. May I build on it for a moment?

First off, at the moment reaching a character class higher does... nothing. It's a little bit of a let-down to go from 'd' class to 'c', with the only benefit being a little change in SOME FEW techniques. The classification system helps everyone understand character strengths, sure, but why not add something more?

Personalization.

Here's the idea- when a character reaches 'c' rank, they unlock two 'customizations' - basically, you choose from a list of 10 or 20 things just like suggested above. There are restrictions on each, but basically they customize your play style- you can be faster OR stronger, etc. These should have specific effects- for example, with 'musclebound' any physical striking attack ( a sword hit) adds an additional 'D' rank of damage or something.

For each rank higher, you receive an additional two slots, up to a maximum of 8 ( no D-rank customizations, character submissions has enough stuff to worry about as it is.) It adds a nice little bonus, gives a little 'push' to 'D' ranks hanging out at 400+, C ranks at 1400, you get the idea. You can only change customization's at a rank change- once you've learned another 10 TP, you're locked into those till the next rank.

Since these should be relatively basic, it should take a single 'Assistant' or above to grade- they just make sure your character fits within the requirements. That way, customizations get approved fast and without much hassle.

Just a concept. Really, I love this idea. Respect, dude.

~Yaki

[Kazu]

Ryu, you should give more examples to extend the reach of what you mean. I like this idea.

[zenoske1ryu]

Jun 4, 2012 18:15:29 GMT -7 Kazu said:

Ryu, you should give more examples to extend the reach of what you mean. I like this idea.

The theory itself could be applied to largely any trait that a character has.
Just putting some ideas out there but perhaps the character is:

• Uncivilized: So would be more effective with animals, but have difficulty sweet talking people. This could lead to an increase in the cost at shops.
  
• Reckless: the character could inflict more damage but have a decrease in accuracy.

As I said pretty much any trait could have an effect. (Not to be confused with flaws.) and they wouldn't even need to have a combat effect a general RP effect could also make things more interesting.
An example of this could be;

• Pervert
  Benefit: After such a long expanse of time admiring people you gain the ability to determine the gender of any person you meet. You also gain a slight advantage when it comes to moving around silently which aids in Stalking making sure the girl gets home safely.
  Drawback: As a trade off charisma takes a hit as your preoccupied inspecting the merchandise.

[j]

We don't need this, it's too much like D&D. Plus it'd be incredibly difficult to implement. No offense, it's well thought out. But just not the direction site should be going.

[♥ a s h u r a]

Jun 4, 2012 22:00:06 GMT -7 j said:

Plus it'd be incredibly difficult to implement. No offense, it's well thought out. But just not the direction site should be going.

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It would literally take coming up with what, 5-10 'trait' techniques. Could be done/implemented in like....a day.

Lol. Ryu's came up with like 3 just to answer someone's questions. Not only would it not be difficult to do or implement, we have fighting styles from Soul Calibur and swords from Tenjho Tenge and Inuyasha and i can throw a fireball from street fighter and we have nearly the exact same character alignment chart as D&D and i can be in a non-ninja clan from Mortal Kombat but having an individual trait...that would be too much like copying, i guess.

Word.

Let me go take my Rideback to train in Air Trek Arts a bit and then I'll have a response, hopefully before we're given a chuunin exam with zombies or have to fight Santa Claus again or something. Wouldn't want it to seem like we we were incorporating things that had nothing to do with Naruto.



And I'm curious....what direction 'should' the site be going...and who gets to decide that?

[Defiant]

He just wants to be a PR rep.

Yea this is a neat idea, the issue si it would cause a change to a system that's already been established. Maybe if it's done in a way that wouldn't require any editing to the old system, and instead functions as an add on to it, others may be more open to it. The easy street is what we want, and if this looks too hard to do, then it's just not gonna happen. It also doesn't sound that DnD, and really, even if it is, who cares?

[Logi Shimizu]

Uhhhh guys, I don't know if you've noticed, but the whole site is heavily D&D, it's the way Heero made it. These traits seem like a good idea tbh, and could probably be implemented without too much trouble. The 'D&D' nature of the site is what gives us these solid systems that we can rely on all the time, it's also probably one of the reasons this site has managed to survive this long.

Now my only question is this, do we simply pick a trait and it pops into our character's knowledge, or do we train the trait?

[zenoske1ryu]

Jun 5, 2012 11:11:24 GMT -7 Logi Shimizu said:

Uhhhh guys, I don't know if you've noticed, but the whole site is heavily D&D, it's the way Heero made it. These traits seem like a good idea tbh, and could probably be implemented without too much trouble. The 'D&D' nature of the site is what gives us these solid systems that we can rely on all the time, it's also probably one of the reasons this site has managed to survive this long.

Now my only question is this, do we simply pick a trait and it pops into our character's knowledge, or do we train the trait?

I would say its not exactly something you learn, that you would just select a relevant trait. For example you wouldn't make training posts to be tall, or to be a pervert.

Be be frank I belive it would be an extremely simply system to implement given that a lot of people already have the basic of the traits in their bio like how you have: stubborn, short tempered, battle thirsty, carefree and rude in your characters personality.

[j]

Lol. Ryu's came up with like 3 just to answer someone's questions. Not only would it not be difficult to do or implement, we have fighting styles from Soul Calibur and swords from Tenjho Tenge and Inuyasha and i can throw a fireball from street fighter and we have nearly the exact same character alignment chart as D&D and i can be in a non-ninja clan from Mortal Kombat but having an individual trait...that would be too much like copying, i guess.

Word.

Let me go take my Rideback to train in Air Trek Arts a bit and then I'll have a response, hopefully before we're given a chuunin exam with zombies or have to fight Santa Claus again or something. Wouldn't want it to seem like we we were incorporating things that had nothing to do with Naruto.



And I'm curious....what direction 'should' the site be going...and who gets to decide that?

Just because it's already like D&D doesn't mean we should keep adding more D&D. In case you hadn't noticed, smartass, this is a Naruto RolePlay site. Now if you want to add this without actually changing anything, go for it. But good luck getting Kure's support, as Heero is currently awol.

[zenoske1ryu]

What does this actually have to do with D&D?
Guess in real life a 60lb person would have the same pulling power as a 500lb person?

Its not like saying oh yeah we took Soul Calibur fighting styles or items such as air trek. The idea of traits is a very basic concept that makes sense, akin to saying yeah well we stole the weight system from D&D because we have to state the weight of our ninjas. Or we stole the concept of eyes from D&D because the majority of our ninjas have eyes.

At the end of the day all characters on this site already have traits, its just a case of acknowledging that they will have effects on performance, so according to your idea guess we have already stole this stuff from D&D.

[Elgar]

Ok, here. Let me say this. It is a great idea. But it doesn't fit here. We would have to make 100s of trait write-ups. That we really don't need. And saying we took the Weight and Eye "system" from D&D is just childish. I personally don't want to see this site go further into the D&D world. We are ninjas, and ninjas have chakra. That is how the lifting and power works around here. If your character has the traits that is fine. Why do we need to give those traits extra power. We have enough on site to choose from. We don't need a trait index to further complicate things around here. But as I said before. It's a great idea. But I don't think it fits well NFRP. And to prevent any further arguments I will deal with this through PMs with Ryu. I don't want staff and members fighting about shit that isn't on site anymore. Hell I don't want people fighting anymore. I want to turn the site around. I am willing to look at new things, and I can add what I can without being red and being able to add boards and such. Locking this thread to stop spam and fights as I said before. Ryu if you want to talk about this PM me.

Thank you everyone.