TP and Character Rank

[Chronic]

Something I see a lot on this game is that theres gennins with thousands of TP. Why not put a cap on it? Well your a genin you can learn up to say B rank? Like right before B rank so 1499 and then if your a chunnin you can get to right before A rank so 2999 and then to get S rank you have to be a jounin? Just throwing out my idea. Feel free to agree or disagree but if you do disagree dont just post "This is lame" Or something arbitrary like that. Give good points.

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What about non-ninja/Missing Ninja? Since they don't have 'ranks', they can just learn unlimited TP. And then, say a non-ninja is 'A' rank, then joins a village. He's technically a genin, so what'd happen?

[dragonwriter]

I agree with Suto's idea.

I think it might be best if Suto is suggesting this that the cap fall under non-ninjas too, plain and simple. After all, as a non-ninja how many ninja scrolls are you actually going to be able to encounter in your life time before you realize, "Oh wow, I've just about learned everything I can." I mean in the Naruto Universe I doubt that people outside the village readily have access to the scrolls ninjas could. If they do I would assume they might pay an arm and a leg for some of the stuff since they aren't normally trained to be full fledged combatants like ninjas are from a young age. Nor would they, I feel, have that great of access to someone who is a ninja and could teach them things. After all many of the ninjas are meant to be moving around the countryside with certain goals in mind and not giving away village secrets or teaching technique they know left and right.

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

Alright, but what about ninja dojos? I can get a ton of Tp from simple Taijutsu attacks. And if this cap hits non-nins, how would we raise it?

And as for the techs, you'd have to change how training threads work to do that. I don't see all that many training threads with a teacher that isn't an NPC, and in that case what's stopping a non-nin from finding one?

[dragonwriter]

Well, here's the thing... We have to pay to use ninja dojos. If a person sees you're going to go beyond a cap they can maybe have an NPC say, "We have the right to refuse training you."

Well, there really isn't anything stopping them from finding one, but NPCs I know were specifically created for learning many fighting styles because I have seen them in those ninja dojos and in the indexes where they list techniques. I suppose the best thing to stop anyone from using an NPC like that would be to say you have to register your NPC under the indexes. Just like many of the fighting styles have already done for Taijutsu and other techniques.

That would make it much harder for people to learn techniques. I suppose, but it wouldn't stop the overall problem you're suggesting entirely. I suppose you'd have to implement rules like if you have a clan for example, and you're a member of it, you would have to go to that clan's main headquarters. For example, the Hyuuga Mansion, to learn those kinds of techniques. But I'm sure no one's ready for a revamp like that here.

[Flower]

This idea has been offered in the past and each time the conclusion has been made that it is not a good idea.

One issue with this is for example those members of the site who have failed the Chuunin Exams 5 or 6 times. Underneath this system people like this would not be allowed to train past say 1499 TP. So then they spend 2 or 3 years trying to pass the Chuunin Exams and are never able to pass. Do we punish them for that by not letting them train for 2 or 3 years?

Of course we shouldn't. How good of a roleplayer or battler you are should not determine how much your character can grow. They are just two separate things that need to stay separate.

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[ninjaparty]

Well, here's the thing. Shikamaru did poorly in his fight in the manga against Temari since he ran out of chakra before he could properly attack. Still in that amount of time he managed to catch her in a trap with his shadow techniques and thanks to that the Hokage and others recognized him as a Chunin because he showed that if he were on a team Temari would be dead. The Hokage realized from this fight Shikamaru could get results.

Now, I've not been to a Chunin Exam yet, so I'm not sure how they entirely work, but if they are typically a melee style set up or some other similar form I'm not sure if you could incorporate this either. Now, I'm not saying this would be a failure to use, but you guys would have to probably revamp the Chunin Exams and say, "We're doing some kind of effort system here. If it looks like you're doing a good job we may let you pass." I'm not sure if you already do this, but you probably do to some extent. Therefore, this would make the entire suggestion probably not something implementable. I'm just letting the above fact be known though.

[|Ayame Unbound|]

Yes but as Kage's we don't get to see the exams. And passing/failing the exams isn't always our decision. If they get kicked out of the second exam, we can't promote them even if they did awesome because the GM says they failed.

And sometimes the Kage denies them for whatever reason. I don't remember why but I know Lady M didn't give Chuunin to someone just because she didn't want to. So is that person supposed to do nothing but do missions until the exams come around?

We only have exams every so often, it isn't fair to tell someone they aren't allowed to train anymore because they aren't a Chuunin. And there's no IC reason for that. "OMG I'm too stupid to train anymore! Let me go to a Chuunin exam and see if that helps!"

[👺 Usiel]

^ agreed, not to mention the non ninjas don't have exams either. What, do they just sit on their ass with a thumb up it and they can't get stronger at all? Hell making exams for them seems ridiculous as well.

[Chronic]

Theres always exceptions to the rules, if someone has flunked the chunnin exams 2-3 times then why should they be allowed to get stronger? Being a chunnin is supposed to represent your strength, your courage, and above all your skill. If the persons "skill" (RP ability) is up to snuff they should be passed. If your not then your not. Imo thats better then a C rank character going in with lets say 700 TP and having to face someone with oh idk 2500....Thats like Might Guy vs shikamaru Atleast in my eyes, Might Guy might not be the best representation here but you understand my point. Also, if a Kage denys someone Chunnin for no reason besides their whim then something is wrong and staff action should be taken. Give me some time to ponder on the non-ninja problem, or you could put the non-ninja with the ninja in the exam and group them with each other like how the villages are grouped.

[Chronic]

Also, as in the manga Gennin can only learn what is it? 2 chakra natures? You could do something like that where as you rank up your allowed to train into different chakra natures. This might sound unfair but going back to my reference of Might guy vs Shikamaru is that fair?

[Ancestor Febrie]

Heh this is fun, just to save your time Suto, I don't think it'll be changed even if you ponder more on this. NFRP isn't entirely same as manga/anime.

[👺 Usiel]

• Naruto is still a Genin and he knows things that people definitely can't learn.
  
• Kosuke Maruboshi is the Ten-Thousand-Year Genin and is considered the strongest Genin. He was taught by the Kages and refuses to become Chunin.
  
• Kabuto took the exams 7 times just to fuck with people and he was as strong as Kakashi.

NFRP may not entirely be the same as the Manga/Anime but even then I don't see a reason to hold people back.

[Chronic]

perfect example for why this change should be implemented

I WILL BE ATTENDING THIS TIME AROUND WITH SOU. lol. Train accordingly. I don't mind if you train to counter me, but I'm killing everyone I can. I plan on going out of my way to hurt you. So be ready. lol.

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2100 TP vs my 800. Lets think about this, who do you think will win? Weigh in with your opinions, both for and against.

[Ancestor Febrie]

I suggest you don't go if you're afraid. Each exam is different and there is no telling if you encounter him. It's not good to hold people back just because some are scared and TP isn't everything.

[Chronic]

As for heeros post, yeah theres 3 in the anime, the main character and another main protagonist. There will always be an exception to the rule but this should be done with moderator approval. The 10,000 year old gennin CHOOSES to do that, he does that for a reason not simply because he thinks "Being a gennin is lameeee" Kabuto flunks on purpose for information on prospective gennin. As for Naruto? Hes a jinchuriki (sp) thats a special case. So yeah there will always be some special cases but it should be "Im gonna stay a gennin so I can kill everyone in the chunnins" that ruins the game for everyone else.

Also I want to state that I am not participating in the chunnins this time around. I just feel that when I do I want it fair. Not rigged, if you catch my drift. (Not to say staff is rigging it, but that its just kinda cheap to stack up TP and then pass with flying colors because your S rank and can do whatever the hell you want because you can shunshin 5 times in a post and then still have the energy to do 30 more things - exagerated - . Im off for now Ill think about the non-ninja problem and post tonight or in the morning.

[|Ayame Unbound|]

Guess what? I was A ranked with 4k some off TP when I went to my exam. My first exam had nothing to do with techniques. My second test I had a team of three fighting an NPC and got my ankle broken. Then they were cancelled.

Does that sound like my TP made a single lick of difference?

Also, you don't have to train with NPCs here. So like I said, you're not magically going to be too stupid to be able to train because you're not a Chuunin.

This isn't going to happen. Period point blank. Do you have anything further to suggest on this note or can I go ahead and lock this now?

[zenoske1ryu]

Just saying but your point on genin only learning 2 chakra natures is pretty pointless, given that The rinnengan gives you 5 which is thought to be godly but on here the majority of people can get 6. Also what happens if you have over this amount of tp and this rule comes into force?
Do you get promoted to the relevant rank?

[Haku Genkyo]

Few points in favor of switching to a new system and ways to do it.

• Excess TP? Vaulted and given back to you when you rank up
  
• Don't want to do that? Then how about phase it in, as of Janurary 1st 2013 all new characters can only have a TP cap of x.
  
• Run two separate Chunin Exams after that for those who are new and those who are old with the non-cap
  
• Reasons for doing so, keeps it even and fair, despite the people having trained who had to grind all that TP to get to where they are are still able to progress (among other equally strong opponents)
  
• The same rule of thumb in any stats fighting forum godlike stats over newer characters presents a barrier that is almost impossible to surpass and ultimately just leads to QQing and quitting.
  
• As for Non-Nin a similar system would be required it would be an equally difficult test that they would have to attend and surpass when they want to rank up.
  

Few points against

• NFRP runs on a merits system, if you have it you deserve it and you've worked for it. Therefore flaunt it.
  
  Side note:If there are people with 1000's of TP who are still Genin well meh, that speaks wonders in it's own right. Bottom line is, work hard and get stronger.
  
• The time it would take to revamp one and create another system could be time better spent in updating techniques, creating new techniques, events or simply improving the forum as a whole.
  
• It's been raised before, as Ayame said quite clearly "This isn't going to happen. Period point blank" you're wasting your time. Even though it may seem like good idea it's been brought up countless times and there's a good reason it's the way it is.
  

My views:

I think if newer members are feeling threatened and see the playing field as unbalanced then that's an issue which should be addressed.

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

I think people are forgetting one very major fact. Rank has absoloutely nothing to do with strength. Becoming a chunnin is if you show off leader qualities! Ergo, not strength. Chunnins should be able to both think, and act, be strong AND smart. the chunnins are the ones leading a squat of two other gennins. ergo Leader abilities. which has nothing to do with TP.

There are people in the mange/anime that never goes above gennin, and if you notice Suto Naruto never becomes a chunnin. But not because he is jinjuriki, because he travels around training for 2 years.

I must admit, as long as I cannot se an IC reason to do this, or find any point in the manga/anime that can show your point, then I don't see at all how this should be implemented.

Personally I've never been to the chunnins, but its 3 tests, that much I know. Its mostly different from exam to exam, so you are actually worrying about nothing.

Besides, and this is a point staff has tried to make several times now. TP is NOT an automatical success. I've tried making a kill versus kill against a guy 2 rank above me, when I was C rank. Its about how you use what you have, IF it gets into a 1versus1 battle, and you so HAPPENS to fight Coal.

And this is just because the entire tp arguement is boring me.

If you die, then what in the WORLD are keeping you from putting a RIP on your char, and make a new one?! Its just a freaking game, and you will always in a PvP game see some major high level dudes go against low level. Its not to change, and I don't see why we should force fairness into a rpg- When there are no fairness in real life.

Scared?! Don't go.. Annoyed? Then train your ass off, think strategically and make sure you have a combination of technique were you can beat anyone! The only reason I personally would be scared shitless of Coal is his ability to fight. his ability to when he makes his character, to think strategically, and mix his techniques so every single one of them, makes the others more powerful.

Oh and not all chunnins are about techniques. I remember a few years back, where they made an awesome test. You weren't allowed to use chakra. which makes any combination of jutsus totally useless. ^^

My many scents to why I think this particular idea should never be thought of again.

/Mei