(Discussion) A more open approach to character building.

[Haku Genkyo]

More like an open discussion point rather than a hard line suggestion. Was it in contention that moving to a system more like say "Skyrim's anything goes, just train into it" had some advantages over the current system which seems to pigeon hole you eventually, but otherwise is very well balanced in that a character can master many things, that's however pre-determined at character creation.

What I'm sort of getting at is that there's some pretty strong influences of D&D style game play currently being introduced into the system and one of the really cool things about D&D 5e is that your Mage can wake up one day and be like "I feel my fighter's heritage coming through" or something like that and suddenly they're a lvl 9 mage/lvl 1 fighter, lawl.

So yeah, valid discussion point?

What are your thoughts?

[Dr. Neuro, RN]

Are you talking about revamping? Everyone has the opportunity to revamp or even scrap their character in order to take the TP they gained in their current build and place it in another character. Or move it around in the current character.

[Haku Genkyo]

Oct 18, 2015 4:49:16 GMT -7 Dr. Neuro, RN said:

Are you talking about revamping? Everyone has the opportunity to revamp or even scrap their character in order to take the TP they gained in their current build and place it in another character. Or move it around in the current character.

Not really, revamping really is used because of the way the system is designed to allow you to choose another path for your character.

What I mean by that is if you take a system like say Skyrim or to use another example Runescape, your character can master literally everything simply by investing enough time into it. The current system deliberately doesn't allow this and instead utilities revamping to allow people (like myself) to revamp their character in the event that they've chosen unwisely or no longer want to be a master.

Now that I've been thinking it and been actually playing D&D and Shadowrun it's gotten me thinking of alternative play styles. In Shadowrun you set your character up but there's nothing stopping you sinking karma into Magic even as a Street Samurai to one day become some Magic casting Street Samurai.

Likewise I was thinking was it even up for contention for a rework that'd allow a TaiJutsu master, to ever begin to master NinJutsu? Maybe at a cost of 2x the TP for example? Instead of pigeon holing characters making them more like traits?

It'd be a significant rework but again this is more just a thread for discussion on the topic =)

[Promeleon]

I feel like this would go against what the site has for character creation. A taijutsu master can master a release if they chose to, but they are limited in the way of chakra pool and hand seal abilities. If you wanted to set it up that way you'd have to rework the hand seals and movement system to make it work and everyone would be the same with specialties and masteries only in name and by what they train in.

I wouldn't agree with you saying you pigeonhole characters at all, sure a master may be pigeonholed, but that is because they are going in one pure direction, if you wanted to make a fighter/mage character, you'd be tai/nin spec, and you'd still be able to take gen/ clan non spec and then you even get some sorcery/druid/bard/rogue capabilities too. Hell, I think this site allows you to create characters that are so versatile, but at the same time allows you to make a character that is pigeonholed. It all depends on how you want to play.

This suggestion isn't really viable without restructuring everything and it wouldn't even change the characters versatility.

[Haku Genkyo]

Oct 18, 2015 18:30:22 GMT -7 Promeleon said:

I feel like this would go against what the site has for character creation. A taijutsu master can master a release if they chose to, but they are limited in the way of chakra pool and hand seal abilities. If you wanted to set it up that way you'd have to rework the hand seals and movement system to make it work and everyone would be the same with specialties and masteries only in name and by what they train in.

I wouldn't agree with you saying you pigeonhole characters at all, sure a master may be pigeonholed, but that is because they are going in one pure direction, if you wanted to make a fighter/mage character, you'd be tai/nin spec, and you'd still be able to take gen/ clan non spec and then you even get some sorcery/druid/bard/rogue capabilities too. Hell, I think this site allows you to create characters that are so versatile, but at the same time allows you to make a character that is pigeonholed. It all depends on how you want to play.

This suggestion isn't really viable without restructuring everything and it wouldn't even change the characters versatility.

Mmm a change to the creation/class system would require a pretty significant system change. I guess key difference is that a Tai Master is a Tai Master from the get go, instead of becoming a master overtime.

rework the hand seals and movement system to make it work and everyone would be the same with specialties and masteries only in name and by what they train in.

I guess you could have these more like "traits" or "star signs" from Elders Scrolls where you start off with a innate bonus but that's just it, it's a bonus. A completely hypothetical could be "5 affiliations" and maybe a new currency (affiliation Point).

Take, Nin, Clan, Tai, Gen and Medical. A new Ninja starts with 10 affiliation points. They can spread these affiliation points across these skill trees. The higher your affiliation the greater the benefits you have toward that skill tree within thresholds.

Again, more of a discussion point. I've never particularly been active for any significant time period but I have been here on and off for quite a few years and since I have been here the one constant pretty much has been the Master, Specialists and Non-Specialists.

So back to my original talking point, why is this creation system the preferred system over others? Simplicity? If it works don't fix it? Etc.

[Promeleon]

I think it's preferred because it allows each character to be individual even if they share similar base specialties while at the same time being a simple system that's easy to follow. You could create a system where everyone has the same basic stats and then gains certain abilities through masteries of different specialties, but that would require a much more complex system that would be much harder to keep track of and maintain because everyone would have individual hand seals and movements as opposed to the same amount but with different characteristics built on top. This system allows freedom in a fair manner while keeping things easy to track.

[Haku Genkyo]

Oct 18, 2015 21:42:48 GMT -7 Promeleon said:

I think it's preferred because it allows each character to be individual even if they share similar base specialties while at the same time being a simple system that's easy to follow. You could create a system where everyone has the same basic stats and then gains certain abilities through masteries of different specialties, but that would require a much more complex system that would be much harder to keep track of and maintain because everyone would have individual hand seals and movements as opposed to the same amount but with different characteristics built on top. This system allows freedom in a fair manner while keeping things easy to track.

Mmmm fair points! I guess what I'm trying to discuss here is that are there better systems currently in existence, is there easier systems and can the current system be improved?

Are there any areas which can be improved upon, it is pretty balanced at the moment. There aren't that many characters walking around who've absolutely maxed everything out.

So yeah, can the current character creation system be improved? Discuss, why, why not.

[👺 Usiel]

My apologies but I wont be altering the system.

See the system is very tightly nit together and to just alter that would alter everyone. That is one of the few things I've always hated about MMOs, where they just up and alter everything and force everyone to change their characters completely.

See when the site started, it was simple. We had TP for just Class Levels and Sepcialists, and that was it. Then I constructed something smaller, adding movements, and handseals. Then that evolved into something more, we added skills, then we added Saves of sorts. There is no reason to just wipe it all out, change it to something else when everything already co exists nicely.

[Haku Genkyo]

Oct 26, 2015 18:50:47 GMT -7 👺 Usiel said:

My apologies but I wont be altering the system.

See the system is very tightly nit together and to just alter that would alter everyone. That is one of the few things I've always hated about MMOs, where they just up and alter everything and force everyone to change their characters completely.

See when the site started, it was simple. We had TP for just Class Levels and Sepcialists, and that was it. Then I constructed something smaller, adding movements, and handseals. Then that evolved into something more, we added skills, then we added Saves of sorts. There is no reason to just wipe it all out, change it to something else when everything already co exists nicely.

No apologies needed I was just curious as to your thought pattern with regards to the matter. It's very much the one consistent thing that's been here and is otherwise realistically the system which binds a characters.

[👺 Usiel]

Ya, sadly everything is just tightly woven together. Rituals work because of how Class Levels work. Alchemy will be adding a new addition to the system and that means everything else will be applied to that. It's close to D&D but I don't want it D&D.