The crafting system

[JiMmIyZ - Hel]

I'd like to address the crafting system here. I find that it's driving people away from taking up the craft. Generally I actually find it rather methodical and pleasing but that's only in reference to crafting swords and the like. For the larger components I find that it pushes people away from taking up the craft by just demanding too much from RPers. When it comes to constructing components I find that it's damn near impossible. In my opinion, crafting should be a more affordable means in which you can obtain items. Instead of paying 4000 for a regular sword, you can craft a sword for two thousand and make it better than the one you were going to buy. It's a system that rewards you for taking the time to go through threads and RP yourself actually making the item from scratch yourself yet when it comes to components the actual building is so much harder than it needs to be. You may think, hey component X is only 10,000 ryo, what are you complaining about? Seem's easy right? Wrong!

While yes individual components are cheap etc. you construct buildings and the individual components stack up to make the task impossible. The idea is firmly planted in the roots of Artisan, just look at how we display the components in the components thread, we have them mapped together in clusters with the individual overviews below. This proves the point that components are meant to be built in this fashion, these selected clusters being an example.

My suggestion is to make component building easier so that more people will take up the artisan trait and start creating these clusters because at the moment it's just so difficult.

Look here:

Army Base: This allows you to quarter one hundred infantry. Up to forty can train in the drill yard at once, and up to sixty can take meals simultaneously in the mess hall. Note that the cost listed below does not include the soldiers’ equipment.

Components: Barracks (10), combat training area (5), guard post (2), basic armory (4), dining hall (2), basic kitchen (4), servants’ quarters; Size: 29 stronghold spaces; Cost: 694,000 Ryo.

Looks great huh? Wouldn't it be awesome to build your own army base? Unfortunately it's just ridiculous to try. You could line up five people and it'd take a year of daily posting to have the thing done. You'd have to go and buy the thing rather than make it, but where's the fun? People take up artisan so they can RP building things. They can't do that right now. Now I know what you'll say, Army bases are for village's anyway, and you're right but let's say I don't want an army base. I just want a residential house for myself. Let's look at the cluster again:

Residential, Basic: This cluster provides for all the needs of thirty people in comfort, if not luxury. This cluster assumes that residents sleep two to a bedroom, and that the two kitchen servants share a bedroom of their own.

Components: Basic bedroom (8), basic kitchen (2), basic dining hall, basic bath; Size: 11.5 stronghold spaces; Cost: 120,000 Ryo.

Again I know what you'll say, it's a building to hold thirty people, but hey it's my house, I can make it as big as I want. Maybe I'm building it for me and my family, maybe I have a big family, maybe me and my family want to entertain guests. At any rate it's my house I can make it as big as I want. Still that cost is 60,000 points to craft up. That's something like 300 posts maybe. It gets even worse if I want a fancy house, and hey who wouldn't want a fancy house, especially one they built themselves?

Residential, Fancy: As above, but the bedrooms, dining hall, and bath have nice art, architectural details, and high-quality furnishings. This cluster holds thirty people comfortably; half get their own bedrooms and half sleep two to a room.

Components: Components: Fancy bedrooms (10), fancy kitchen, fancy dining hall, fancy bath, servants’ quarters; Size: 15 stronghold spaces; Cost: 664,000 Ryo.

I'm not even gonna go into luxury, but right now that cost has sky rocketed 664,000 ryo meaning it would have 347,000 construction points to whittle down. That's crazy.

I'm not saying we need to change up weapon smithing or anything but could we make the construction of component clusters easier, perhaps even only in certain circumstances like missions? I'm sure this would lead more people to taking up artisan and putting the hard work of the creators to use. Cost would remain the same, that's fine, I just suggest making building easier.

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I said the same thing a lot I'm sorry, just trying to get the message across.

[Nira]

Ah.

People can become a master artisan, but it's a bit hidden. They could build buildings single-handedly in exchange for dedicating their builds for construction. This hasn't been done before because combat and interaction techniques are much more attractive. Unlimited ryo doesn't get much use at the moment, and it probably won't till rituals become much more prominent.

Craftsmen have already had their job made much easier, in the recent time frames.

For a craftsman of the highest caliber:

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<Total at this point is up to 440 per post.>
<Now, after you get whatever else you need to reach B class, you can move on to the holy grail, a miscellaneous technique>

<Spend like, all of your misc TP on this. Maximum is 800 TP, so get this 80 times. You'll need to max your construction skill again. +1200 once you're done with all of it.>
Unlocked Potential
Rank: "C"
Skill: Supplementary
Effect: User has an incredible potential for improvement with 1 of their skills.
Special: ---
Drawback: ---
Description: Choose a Skill. The Point limit for that skill is increased by 15. (Thus, the first time user applies this technique to a skill, its point limit becomes 140 instead of 125). User may learn this technique multiple times. User may apply this same technique to the same skill multiple times.
Limit: Must learn from Universal Miscellaneous.
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1640 guaranteed points with every post you make. You just need to write a singular paragraph post to trigger the points. You also get a d100 roll every time, which we could just average to be around 50 extra points per crafting post. 1690 points.

There are also traits, if you want to use up freebies for those. You could get more than fifty points, depending on which craft you pursue. Roughly 1740 points per post.

347,000 is the highest number you gave. That'll take about 200 posts, 200 paragraphs.

Posting 200 paragraphs isn't exactly the most enjoyable thing ever, but basically, it's searching for two 1% herbs. In exchange, you build something that'll cost over 650,000 ryo.

Less dangerous, and probably less stressful, than a shinobi doing 7 or 8 S rank missions at the maximum payout. S rank events are a better cash cow, but those don't show up nearly enough.

The basic residence that you listed at 60,000 points will be completed by the maxed craftsman in about 35 paragraphs.

If you built a character as a pure craftsman, he could produce high-cost products with insane efficiency at nearly no personal risk.

A standard shinobi that happens to know some carpentry is admittedly going to have some difficulty building their own mansion, since that isn't what they're trained for.
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[JiMmIyZ - Hel]

I don't particularly see this as being viable. There is potentially 1,500TP to be utilised here specifically for the crafting system to reach such a point of mastery. I'll point out to you that the craftsman (artisan) is in the misc area for a reason. To spend so much TP on a misc. section of the character doesn't seem right to me.

Again I know what Nira's getting at, I'm just saying it's weird that a misc component be so heavily trained.

[Nira]

Artisan is in the professions section, the same place as medics and puppeteers. All of which can be the complete focus of a character.