Mission ideas.

[Marii K. Kazeraikou]

I realize I should have done this a little earlier, but I finally got a reliable computer.


I would really like to make mission that involves hunting, crafting, finding herbs or similar. But one issue is the payment. The maximum pay for a "B"-ranked mission for instance is 50 000 ryo. Creating a good armour and selling it is double that amount. How can I make missions like that without breaking the bank or cause inflation?


Some suggestions I came up with myself was:


- Creating armoury for smaller shinobis (5'4" or shorter), shinobis who are under 18 and still growing or lighter armoury that can offer just as much protection.

- Finding animals we can use to make clothes. Breeding them can be possible option.

- Teach another shinobi a jutsu. The rank of the jutsu can correspond the rank of the jutsu. So a "C"-rank jutsu will be a "C"-ranked mission. This can encourage some RP and become more aware of how to use your bloodlimit/clan to your best advantage.



I'm grateful for suggestions, constructive criticism and/or praise. Please don't post 'LOL' or 'You're an idiot' comments.

[Deleted]

You are absolutely correct about money. As it stands crafting will is always going to net you the most money. Trying to get missions to pay the same as crafting isn't the solution. It's to make missions fun and interesting so they can contribute to the characters story line. RP interaction aside a ninja should be getting their sense or purpose from their missions. 

Hunting and Gathering missions are cool and all. But the items you'd want people to track down would just be more of the same busy work that tailors and alchemists would already be doing. Trying to stay competitive with crafting prices simply is unfeasible or unsustainable for very long. Just buying all my armor for a year IC would bankrupt the village. 

Teaching other ninja is a great idea. I loved the missions we had in cloud a while back where you simply went out to learn a new jutsu and came back to show the Kage. I'd love to see the same thing happen with skills as well. The idea of a village trying to foster a ninjas skills and techniques resonates well with me.

The real issue with missions, (at least in cloud) is that everyone is pining to do something cool. So the first time a cool mission comes available, everyone wants to go. And then threads get slowed down for weeks. With the new way threads work its not such a big deal anymore.  

[Y]

However, we do have to keep some stuff in mind.

Missions, the way they are simulated on this forum, are supposed to represent a client commissioning the village to do something. That's why the money doesn't come from the treasury, but actually comes as a profit both to village and to the ninja doing it.

Those training missions really just don't make that much sense. Why is some random Joe paying some ninja to train a jutsu. That does not make sense. Training is something ninja do to improve themselves. If this village wanted to pay ninja to train, sure, but that should come out of their treasury.

Same thing with crafting type stuff. Why would a private client hire the village to hire a ninja to make armor for the village? That's pretty unrealistic. Realistically, there should be two types of missions: Private Missions and Village Missions.

Private Missions represent clients hiring the village to do something. These do not benefit the village directly, benefit the players solely by roleplay and bigger payouts. This would be "find my cat" or "kill my enemy" or "escort this bridge builder." These missions should be dependent on the Chunin-Jounin system, because clients should have some quality assurance that, if they pay for a higher rank mission, they're going to get somebody field tested.

Village Mission then would be missions the village pays for. Yes, this means the payout subtracts from the treasury. So, these would be things like "the kage wants you train" or "craft some armour for the village to use" or "add to the village botanical garden." Even "find the location of the other village" or "beat the shit out of an enemy of the village." These really should be on kage discretion, as they directly oversee the whole process and can make their own staffing decisions. 

My two cents, at least, on missions.

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-Y
That would be well and good if the Chuunin - Jonin system worked or was easily achievable or had any real relevance to your strength or ability as a character.

Hell you're a 8k tp Genin yourself.
I'm a 10k tp Genin.
Loki is a 13k tp Genin.

Getting rank ups are difficult, often times the exams hit a wall or other events prevent someone from actually achieving the rank. Meaning you need to wait at least 6 months for exams to roll around and another 6 months for them to finish before being able to go on missions that aren't lame. IE catching cats. It's common place for the exams just to end without actual completion. I'm still waiting for my exam to pan out from over a year ago. 

If I wasn't a artisan. To get paid the same amount of money to sell one of my armor pieces would take me 45 B rank missions for a single piece of armor.

The real question is, As a ninja. Especially one that can generate his own fortune without missions. Why would I be compelled to do them? 

[Y]

I'm not trying to defend the Chunin exam system OOC, snowflake , just IC.

How does a client know you're good? Class ranks aren't quantizes IC the same way they are OOC. True, my mage is an "S" rank, but he's done a whopping zero missions for the village. How do I know he's actually useful and not some cloud-headed scholar? I don't, because he hasn't been formally examined at the Chunin exams. My kage might know I'm good, but theres no objective way to show that to clients. That's how I've always considered it, anyways.

And, not to dodge your question with another question, but it sounds like you're asking that question from a player perspective, not a character one. Ninja do missions because they're ninja. That's their job. Duty to village, self, et. cetera. Or climbing the hierarchy. If that doesn't appeal, why be part of a ninja village? Why not live your life alone somewhere, seeking more power by selling swords?

[Deleted]

That would make sense IC if some of the Kages from other villages even passed the CE themselves. Sadly the ooc and player experience is shared when it comes to missions. It's more to the point where it doesn't even matter what your qualifications are or aren't. There are arbitrary things that can keep you from being recognized in a official capacity.

Doing missions for the village should fulfill that desire to serve your country. But when serving your country is catching cats, building shops and looking for flowers and roots. It hardly feels like the months of in character combat training, gear collecting and skill honing make any sense.

[Marii K. Kazeraikou]

May I step in please? I actually agree with both of you. Hopefully, I am able to explain my opinions.

Like snowflake, I agree that missions should reflect the skills a shinobi has. But I think low ranked missions that involves finding missing pets, escorting people as well as chopping down wood should be on the board. This is less daunting for less experienced RP-ers and/or people who want to focus more on RP. It can be an option for those who are in a hurry to complete mission requirements for the Chuunins as well.

Y: I think most villages has a section for "economic" or "village" missions plus one for "common" or "private" missions. "Economic/village" that involves repairing buildings, border patrol or verifying locations of hidden villages.
"Private/common" ones are usually finding missing pets, breaking in somewhere or spy at a spouse you think are cheating.

The reason for doing missions can be the exams. You need at 8 missions to do the Chuunin exams. Qualifying for the Jounin exam requires at least 24 missions. Some of them must be interaction ones or be "B"-ranked, but I could be wrong.


The training missions may be a little bit of an issue. I don't want people to train JUST because they get money for it. Or someone who loves to train and can get lots of mission credit for it. I am not sure if Heero will allow that anymore.


However...I am in the process of creating missions that involves crafting weapons, armor or alchemy items for the village armoury. I already have missions where shinobis have to capture animals or find herbs. Like Snowflake mentioned, it is a lot of work to find them. But you do get mission credit plus an award for it. I see Iwagakure, Kirigakure as well as Sunagakure has missions that involves building components, creating ANBU bases or train non-shinobis self-defence or basic raiton/suiton/fuuton jutsus. Is this something you think all village should have? Speaking as a Raikage, I think building components, filling up the armoury plus making ANBU bases would be useful.


Both of your opinions are much appreciated. If anyone else has something constructive to say, don't be afraid to post in here.

[The Bearer of Bad News]

I have prefab missions on a list, but i also allow people to make their own missions with my approval. they can also request a special mission just for them from me if they want.

that way they can pursue their own narrative at their leisure, or take on some simple basic stuff until theyre more comfortable.

in terms of payment, missions are never going to be as individually lucrative as professions just due to the amount of time invested. missions require multiple stages of staff or kage oversight over short periods. professions allow you to post in bulk on particularly pricey items so that a staff member can look over it one time and call it good, especially if you write enough that they don't have to roll any dice.

as for the s ranked genins...this exact argument was made IN CLOUD - it doesnt matter how long you sequester yourself away training. we have no evidence of your competence in APPLYING that training or your critical thinking abilities without the exams, nor how you will handle in an uncontrolled environment like the exams without first shuffling you off on some low-risk tasks to prove yourself.

the abysmal completion ratio of the exams themselves is a separate issue, but part of it is the same reason fighting is so rare - it all just gets so bogged down in arguments and minutae and complaints almost every round. its impossible to make progress when people are UNWILLING to progress. then they go over the deadline substantially and interfere with other activities, all while people complain louder and louder, until several examiners over the years have just straight up quit.

basically its our own fault we can't get exams done.

[Ranzu]

Missions are more RP based then income based for sure.

However, and I don't know how feasible this is, but one way I see to "pad out" the ryo of those sort of missions is to make them into a chain. Don't just go and post "make me a armor" mission, instead send them out first to acquire the materials for the armor, then a mission to make the armor, then perhaps a mission to sale the armor. More posts are required then a single mission but they get more ryo and mission credits that way.

Another way is to provide incentives other than ryo for those missions. Maybe reward them with a village-only jutsu that needs to be taught or something along those lines. Maybe after doing x number of those sorts of missions, you will personally accompany them on their mission of choice (which would allow genin to go on B+ ranked missions then, a sorta taste to get them to improve so they can go on them by themselves).

I do like the idea of missions being linked together though. Like make the chain about providing the means of a small village in the country the means to protect themselves, giving them 3-5 missions to do so. Making weapons/armor for the villagers, gathering herbs and making potions for them, training the villagers in self defense (maybe could count as a self training style mission if they can get it to work? its a stretch), set traps around the village and teach the villagers to maintain them, and other such things. Then the last mission could have the bandits attack the village, and the ninja gets to work alongside the villagers he has trained and supplied so far to fend them off.

Those are just some of my ideas. Don't know if they are allowed, and the last two may require too much attention from staff/kage to really work out. I just think you should focus more on the RP side of it and not the ryo, if the only reason they are doing missions is for money then crafting is just going to outpace that way too quickly. Not to mention events that give out ryo and such.

Personal opinion ahead: what if we allow Kages (with staff approval) to promote genin to chunnin if they do enough missions? I don't mean like 10 or something, more like 30 or more, with like 10 C ranks and a B rank or higher (and only if the ninja are C-rank or higher). If they have completed that many missions then at least the village knows they are competent ICly, and needing kage and staff approval allows them to be judged OOCly to. CEs still provide event credits and good RPing (when they don't stall) so there will still be a good reason to go to them.

Like Marii, I see both sides of the argument. ICly CEs are very important to judge a ninja's ability, but OOCly they can be quite the hassle to even finish. Maybe providing a alternative that requires a lot more investment on the players side then the staff's side would help get rid of the S-rank genin problem, which might make the CEs better off when the only ones going are the D and C ranked genin who might not be as afraid to fight one another. Again, this is just mostly my personal opinion then a suggestion. I know its not likely to work out anyways.

[Ryutatsu "Sakurai Sword"]

My two cents on this is definitely for Missions that lead into other missions. Those generally seem more interesting and are definitely better RPing for me. It makes more sense story wise that a character that builds a reputation for doing certain moves or styles would get missions that fit his style. Or (and this should be discussed among Kage) That certain joint missions could be done with characters that already know each other or something.

[Ryutatsu "Sakurai Sword"]

Name: A Thorny situation
Rank: C
IIC Length: 48 Hours
Difficulty: Medium
Description: A Ikebana experiment turned horribly wrong. A Ikebana gardener was looking to create a new kind of flower for couples to share and created a plant monster instead. This Flower based monstrosity is tearing up the nearby towns and trying to eat people.
Objective: Kill the Plant Monster of Large Size or Bigger and at least a C rank difficulty. And must take at least five to seven good posts.
Reward: 17,500

[Marii K. Kazeraikou]

Ryutatsu "Sakurai Sword" and Ranzu: Thank you for your input. I think I could be able to do a 'mission chain' once my schedule gets a bit better. I like the mission you posted there Ryutatsu "Sakurai Sword". If you want to, I can post it on my mission board.

[Ryutatsu "Sakurai Sword"]

Would love it if you do. And I will post up any more ideas I have for missions.

And if you need swords I have a few extra lying around lol. n