Armour question

[Slightly Insane]

Support Issue: Equipment
The Issue: Certain ninjutsu effects refer to themselves as armour. How do they interact with actual armour? Can you still use normal armour at the same time as these techniques? I assume if you do then it just comes down to the rules of stacking, and the higher hardness is used.

Armor of lightning
Rank: C
Skill: Ninjutsu
Effect: The user becomes charged with electrons, shocking those that come in contact with him or her.
Special: Snake, Horse, Dragon
Drawback: This jutsu will no matter what last for 5 posts, it cannot be dispelled, for it is self sustaining and after its performed, no more chakra is put into it. It does not discriminate between friend or foe, this means if you are injured a medical ninja will not be able to help you without getting shocked. This also makes the user glow with electricity giving away stealth. If a water based jutsu comes in contact with the user, then the armour of lightning jutsu will backfire, and the water AS WELL AS the lightning will hit the user.
Description: After performing the handsign, a few random sparks and shocks of electricity, usually yellow or bright blue will begin to emit from the user. Any things that comes in contact or very close to contact (a few inches from touching) the user will receive a shock. This may not stop the person from making contact with you, but will definitely slow them down a bit, or even leave a slight paralysis on wherever was touched.
Limit: Lightning Release

Armour of the Mountains
Rank: "C"
Skill: NinJutsu
Effect: User creates armour for defensive and offensive purposes.
Special: Handseals
Drawback: ---
Description: Range of this technique is touch. Target is 1 creature. Duration of this technique is 5 minutes per Class Level. This technique requires a small source of earth nearby. This Jutsu wraps its subject in jagged shards of stone and slabs of slate, granting a +4 Hardness bonus to Defense and +4 to the paralyzed and petrified conditions. As the stone and slate created is Chakra in nature, the armor does not confer any Armour Penalties. In addition, any creature that moves adjacent to the subject or begins its turn adjacent to the subject takes 8 Armour Points of slashing damage per Class Level. The Jutsu does not differentiate between friend and foe, but an armor of the mountains Jutsu cannot affect the user. If the subject takes more than 10 Armour Points of damage per Class Level in a round from a Chakra source with the Lightning Release, the stone armor crumbles and the Jutsu ends.
Limit: Must know Earth Release.

Frost Armour
Rank: "B"
Skill: NinJutsu
Effect: User creates an armour of frost to protect them from attacks.
Special: Handseals
Drawback: ---
Description: Range of this technique is personal. Duration of this technique is 5 rounds per Class Level. This technique requires a small source of snow or ice nearby. Using this technique, the user covers themselves with an armor made entirely of ice. The Armour has a hardness of 5. This armor can be removed by cancelling the technique, at which time the ice covering the user crumbles into nothingness. While worn, however, the Frost Armour grants the user a cold and water resistance 5 and reflects 4 Armour Points of cold damage towards any attacker striking the user with an unarmed or natural weapon attack, every attack. If the user suffers more than 20 Armour Points per Class Level of damage while wearing the armor, it dissipates and the technique ends prematurely.
Limit: Must know Ice Release.

Water Armour
Rank: "B"
Skill: NinJutsu
Effect: Water covers the user's entire body with chakra-infused water, making it like a sturdy suit of armour.
Special: Handseals
Drawback: ---
Description: Range of this technique is personal. Duration of this technique is 5 rounds per Class Level. This technique requires a small source of water nearby. Using this technique, the user covers themselves with an armor made entirely of water. The Armour has a hardness of 5. This armor can be removed by cancelling the technique, at which time the water covering the user pours down. While worn, however, the Water Armour grants the user a damage reduction DR 5/—. If the user suffers more than 20 Armour Points per Class Level of damage while wearing the armour, it dissipates and the technique ends prematurely.
Limit: Must know Water Release.

Tree Bark Armour
Rank: "A"
Skill: NinJutsu
Effect: User creates armour of wood. This armour can heal itself for the duration of this Jutsu.
Special: Handseals
Drawback: ---
Description: Range of this technique is touch. Target of this technique is creature touched. Duration of this technique is 50 minutes per Class Level. User creates a tree to grow against the user's back. Sizeable expansive bark peels off and wraps around the user armouring them. The Target gains +8 Hardness, and 12 Armour Points per Class Level. While wearing the armour, the armour can heal itself by healing 3 + 1 Armour Points of damage per Class Level. If the target has wood release, they could use it for wooden Jutsus. If the target's temporary Armour Points total is dropped to 0 or less, the Jutsu ends.
Limit: Must know Wood Release.

Body of Wood
Rank: "B"
Skill: NinJutsu
Effect: User creates armour of wood to protect themselves from attacks.
Special: Handseals
Drawback: ---
Description: Range of this technique is personal. Duration of this technique is 5 rounds per Class Level. Using this technique, the user covers them with an armor made entirely of wood. The Armour has a hardness of 5. This armor can be removed by cancelling the technique, at which time the wood covering the user's crumbles into ash. While worn, however, the Body of Wood grants the user a lightning and water resistance 5 and have a Damage Reduction 5/—. If the user suffers more than 20 Armour Points per Class Level of damage while wearing the armor, it dissipates and the technique ends prematurely.
Limit: Must know Wood Release. Must know Body of Leaves.

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[echointhedark]

Hardness and natural armor and chakra armor stack.

The way most things work on NFRP is that it is usually typical that bonuses of the same type don't stack.

It's entirely possible to have naturally tough skin. Armor over your skin, and a layer of chakra armor on top of that.

But armor from the same type doesn't stack.

You can't wear physical armor on top of physical armor... Well, you can... it just doesn't have an additional benefit.

You can't stack two different types of chakra armor either. Well, you can... but you only get the stat bonus from one.

Now let's say you have naturally strong skin. (natural armor) and you rub some alchemical goo on you that adds some alchemical bonus to your natural armor. Those would stack to your normally tough skin because it's a different type of bonus. But you couldn't use two alchemical goo's that make your skin harder because they share a bonus type.

I think those types are listed in the handbook.

[XIV]

Id like to ask a follow up question. Clothes made from Aranea have a (small) defense rating, and give a bit of damage resistance worn under armor. Do they continue to confer the base defense rating, with the underarmor effect as a bonus, or does it convert to purely the physical damage resistance effect?

Additionally, can the base defense rating regardless of armor be improved by masterwork status or no?

Also how would either of the above scenarios interact with a dye bark tree treatment?

Bark Tree
Rank: "B"
Type: Uncommon, Colossal, Tree
Effect: May be used to make armor or harden other wood.
Special: Preparation: Special; Duration: Special
Drawback: ---
Description: Dye bark trees are enormous trees, one of the tallest trees in the ancient forests. Their branches sprout out in all directions, starting low down above the ground and carry a thick coverage of light green leaves. Between the thick leaves are found multicolored fruits - conical shaped fruits that hang down from the branches by long, thin stems and are easy to pick. The bark of this tree is thick and strong, but can easily be removed from the tree without causing undue harm it, as the bark re-grows within a few days. Further, the tree secretes a thick resin that hardens on exposure to air and moisture to protect itself. Dye bark trees are often found in rural and poor areas, and sometimes the tree is called Poor Man's Armor. Rumors abound about the application of the tree's properties, and many alchemists have wasted their lives away trying to use the tree's leaves, bark, resin, wood and branches to construct a perfect, light, yet strong armor to rival full metal armor. Legend has it that such a suit of armor exists, although most dismiss this as wild speculation. The dye bark tree fruits are edible and tasty, although they are most often used when crushed to form dyes of different colors for clothing. However, the dyes become much stronger when mixed with the resin of the tree, easily removed from the tree and bark if the latter is removed. 3d100 fruit are found in the tree, 100 produces 1 large Pitcher for purposes of alcohol. Mixing the fruit dyes and the bark resin creates a putrid smelling substance that can be applied to clothing and wood to harden them once the resin completely dries. Clothing treated in this manner grants the wearer a +1 hardness, while wood treated with this increases its hardness by +2. 1 tree produces 9 cups of Resin. Each armour piece needs 1 cup of resin (Torso takes 2 cups).
Hardness: 6; Armour Points/Inch: 10; Armour Class: -2. Dye Bark Tree produces 240,000 Ryo worth of material cost for items. Dye Bark Tree items cost 1/4 normal price.
Availability: Year Round; Region: Special; Identification: Very Difficult; Cultivation: Difficult
Limit: Must know Botany for Special Regions. 30% chance in finding.
Cost: 20,000 Ryo Per Tree; 1,000 Ryo per Large Pitcher of Fruit; 5,000 Ryo per cup of Resin; 240,000 Ryo per Tree (Material)

[echointhedark]

It depends on if the clothing uses the same slot for the armor. A cloak takes your shoulder slots, so shoulder armor and a cloak don't stack protection.


What you've posted is a material. you'd substitute the strength and AC of the iron/steel of your standard armor with the material created.

[XIV]

Okay so if its the same part of the body, only the defensive value of the armor applies, though you do get the specific bonus for using it as an underarmor. No point giving it the dye bark treatment unless im going to be not using armor on that spot for whatever reason then.

But what about the masterwork aspect? Could one take an aranea shirt with its hardness of 1 and go as far as 11 (+2/tier)?

[echointhedark]

I've never really seen clothing that gave a hardness bonus. So I might not know a minor nuance concerning this.

But from my understanding Armor smiths create armor, Tailors make clothing.

From my understanding clothing is separate from armor. I don't think your wood dye stuff can be applied to like a "shirt" item in the index.

A cloak of protection gives deflection/dodge bonuses, I personally wear one. So if you wanted clothing that offered protection that wasn't exactly armor that would be the best way to do it. Dodge bonuses/Deflection bonuses are essentially the same thing as hardness when you're factoring damage.

Likewise if you make armor out of a material that is light, you can keep your AC down where the "armor weight" (maybe not the best term for AC) more like "Armor encumbrance" is under a certain limit you're considered "unarmored" even though you are wearing armor.

[XIV]

Its a special trait of aranea clothes. Hardness: 1, armor points per inch: 5 (does this stack with our normal points? I forget), armor class: clothing


Aranea
Rank: "S"
Type: Very rare, Medium, Mystical Beast
Effect: This bloated spider has a hunchbacked body and a gleam of intelligence in its multiple eyes.
Special: Preparation:--- ; Duration: ---
Drawback: ---
Description: An aranea is an intelligent, shapechanging spider with Chakra powers. In its natural form, an aranea resembles a humpbacked spider a little bigger than a human, and weighs about 150 pounds. The hump on its back houses the aranea's brain. All araneas have a single alternate form as well—this alternate form is that of a Small or Medium humanoid. Although an aranea can assume a spider-hybrid variant of this form, it cannot use its change shape ability to assume multiple humanoid forms—this additional shape is locked into one unique appearance. Araneas typically gather in small colonies of 2 to 6 individuals, making webbed nests high in trees. These colonies work together to research Chakra, and may change membership many times over as individuals leave to pursue their own studies and are replaced by newer members. A single aranea may take on humanoid form and live for years in a humanoid community, never revealing its true nature. Though araneas generally prefer to be left alone, they often prove quite knowledgeable about the ways of Chakra, and if approached peacefully may be willing to share their expertise for the right price. In their spider form they can bite for 8 Armour Points of damage, and can perform Web while learning any web technique in Ogumo. When they bite they apply their poison. Their poison bite needs a Fortitude Save once per round for 6 rounds. Each round the target takes 1d3 Might Damage. 1 save cures. With Change Shape, An aranea can take the form of a Small or Medium humanoid or spider-humanoid hybrid. In humanoid form, an aranea cannot use its bite, web, or poison. In spider-humanoid hybrid form, an aranea looks like a humanoid with spidery fangs and spinnerets, with the latter typically located at the small of its back. The aranea retains its bite attack, webs, and poison in this form, and can wield weapons and wear armor. They can learn Chakra Techniques but most are known to learn GenJutsu, Chakra Armour, Detect Chakra, and Light.
Yields: Poison may be milked or retrieved from the gland or milked. Hardness: 1; Armour Points/Inch: 5; Armour Class: Clothing. Aranea silk is the fine thread with which the aranea builds its nest as well as the cocoons of its young. Extremely soft, aranea silk is an especially strong fabric of an almost pure white shade. It takes three times as long for dyes to have any effect on the material, but once mixed with a color, aranea silk becomes brilliant with countless fine, silvery spots that dot the surface of the fabric. These form a star-like effect when light shines upon it, but the material is unremarkable in a shadowy environment. Created by elven clothiers of olden times, rich noblemen and women who can afford clothes fashioned with such a fancy and rare fabric favor aranea silk. It is also ten times stronger, so a garment made with this material does not rip easily. This is considered armor but it can be worn under any other type of armour adding no weight and offering DR/6 Slashing and Bludgeoning. Aranea produces 20,000 Ryo worth of materials for items per Week. Purchasing Aranea silk items cost x10 normal price.
Class Points: 4 (Epic); Diet: Carnivore; Intelligence Exceptionally Intelligent; Activity: Any; Alignment: Neutral; Organization: Solitary or Colony; Number Appearing: 3-6; Region: Sawmp; Identification: Very Difficult; Cultivation: Very Difficult; Skills: Observation +45; Innate Abilities: Darkvision 20 meters; Low-light Vision. Natural Armour +4. Water Walking; Some Chakra Abilities; Change Shape; Poison
Limit: Must know Creature Lore for River Regions. 10% chance in finding.
Cost: 175,000 Ryo per Creature; 20,000 Ryo per Silk per Week (Material)