Hatake's Mangekyo (Spoilers)

[Masakuni]

Well, I'd like to discuss what we think of Kakashi's apparent Mangekyo Sharingan and the Unnamed Implosion Technique he uses with it. Given that in the latest chapter, 391, we've seen the third and apparently final Mangekyo Sharingan technique, Susano, I think it calls into question whether Kakashi even possesses a Mangekyo, and if not, what the hell is it?

Take into account the facts. The three named and declared Mangekyo Sharingan techniques are Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, and Susano. From what happens to his eyes as he uses them in the Sasuke v. Itachi fight, it would appear that each of these techniques contributes to a process of 'sealing' his Sharingan. The use of the Mangekyo also seems to deteriorate eyesight. None of these qualities have been displayed by Kakashi.

Also, the only way to gain the Mangekyo, so far known, is to kill your best friend. Some may claim that Kakashi 'killed' Obito, but he indirectly and inadvertently caused his death, which to mean did not signify a killing. Some may also claim that the emotional rush caused by his guilt awakened his Mangekyo, but Itachi, cold and emotionless, gained the Mangekyo. Anyway, Kakashi gained the so-called 'Mangekyo' during the time skip, way later.

Discuss.

[Kaj.]

Strange thing is, on this website, Kakashi's eye technique is named Susanoo...

Hm.

[Masakuni]

I think it was named Susanoo on this website because we hadn't seen the real Susanoo, and Tsukiyomi, Susanoo, and Amaterasu are a trio from Japanese Myth.

-shrugs-

[N I R A S H I]

Okay, apparently, from what we've learned about the Sharingan, everyone's Sharingan is different. Everyone's Mangekyou is different. The only Mangekyou we've seen thoroughly is Itachi. He has Ameretsu, Tsuyokomi, and Susanoo.

Now I wonder once you obtain the Mangkyou do you automatically obtain the three techniques or do you need to unlock them. It seems Tsuyokomi is the first, Ameretsu the second, and Susanoo the final and ultimate.

Now I hear and read that Kakashi's Mangekyou's Attack was called the Susanoo, but remains unnamed really. now how did Kakashi get Susanoo and not have Amaretsu or Tsukiyomi!?

I know Kakashi has a real Sharingan, but I guess without true Uchiha blood and without two Sharingan eyes, his techniques and forms are 'incomplete' to a sense. I belive he does possess Susanoo and Mangekyou, but they aren't t he true forms. Apparently, Itachi has the true Susanoo and that resembles Kakashi's in no way from what I've seen.

However, I do think some people's Mangekyou's vary. Different eyes, different techniques. No eye is the same, so I doubt techniques are the same.

Kakashi's Mangekyou is real, becasue we know his Sharingan is real. I just think that he can't tap into the true power and full power since he's not a true Uchiha.

Now. Why doesn't Kakashi go blind. First, he keeps his Sharingan eye covered unless he's in dire need of it. Plus, he rarely uses the Mangekyou. He'll probably go blind if he uses it too much, but I suspect throughout his life he's probably only used it 3 or 4 times. Plus, so far we've only seen him use Susanoo, so he's not abusing the techniques like Itachi does, so I doubt he'll go blind anytime soon.

[Delaney Bóann]

The NFRP Website just used the name Susano but from what I hear it is being revamped the Uchiha that is.

Kakashi's Technique from what everyone knows is called

Mangekyou "Implosion" Technique (Unnamed)

This doujutsu is a Ninjutsu technique which uses the Mangekyou Sharingan eye to generate an imploding transportation vortex. This long range technique may be a third Mangekyou skill in a trio named after mythological deities. The first is Amaterasu, next is Tsukuyomi and this may be Susanoo.

To begin Kakashi formed a handseal to change his normal three tomoe Sharingan into a new Mangekyou form. He then focused on an area of his target. The surrounding area then began to warp and collapse in on itself, quickly reducing the surround area to nothingness. The technique will thus essentially transport the focused area away to another location. The technique caused a huge strain on Kakashi, utilizing a great deal of chakra. He was able to use the technique twice in succession and then revert back to three tomoe, it is unknown how many times he could use it before total exertion.

[Li Hebbi]

On leafninja.com it explains each of the three jutsus the Mangekyo can use and it says Amaterasu is used by the right eye and Tsukiyomi by the left. Since Kakashi doesn't have both he's a special case. It may be that when you have both you can use them differenty. And since Kakashis' left eye can't go back to normal maybe the way his works forced him to develope differently then Itachi making "susanoo" his first and possibly only Mangekyo jutsu unless he can figure a way to use Tsukiyomi.

[keruliion]

Ok to clear things up.

1. Kakashi feels fatigue and other disadvantages because he dose not have an uchiha body,however, As it is only one eye that kakashi uses in a mangekyo form and i use that term loosely. where as other uchiha have to use it in both eyes. So kakashi may be blind in one eye but as his sharringan is allways active it matters not.

2. Kakashi is the first and only sharringan user to achieve a one eyed mankekyou. Thus its effects are unknown

3. Kakashi's technique has never had its name stated as far as i know and the true power of the sharringan is also in the dark so we wont know for now.

[fina]

Kakashi is going blind too. He hints to it somewhere in the manga. My awesome memory reminds of it. And Nirashi, just for kicks, we've seen two identical MS's and a third variation - Itachi and Madara both have the same eye and looks, as both were obtained in the same way (killing the best friend.)

Kakashi's differs by look and means of obtaining; perhaps alignment, mainly how one gets the eye, affects the kind of MS that appears?

[keruliion]

Yes that is a very good point fina. Also wich chapter dose kakashi hint at going blind?

:::Edit:::
I just had a thought that maybe Kakashi's MS isn't actually an MS it just a reaction to Kakashi forcing chakra into his sharringan. We don't know how the sharringan acts to more chakra being focused into it and as Kakshi all ways has his active. Maybe thats what happens to a sharringan when the eye is active for a certain period of time.

[fina]

I'll start going back to the different chapters and I'll post here when I find it.

[深紅色ӗ]

^{This may be off subject, but I think Itachi gained his Mangekyo Sharingan by his hatred of his father, or by the killing of his clan. I saw back in the flashback of when, right before Sasuke fought Naruto on the Waters that Itachi formed his Mangekyo Sharingan staring at his father.}

[Pein]

That's not true. Itachi got his MS from killing his best friend. He then used his new power and the help of Madara to kill the rest.

[N I R A S H I]

I don't believe Kakashi ever admits going blind with his Sharingan, and even if he did, he rarely uses it. I still doubt he's going blind.

Oh and Itachi and Mandara have different Mangekyou's Fina.

Itachi's -

Mandara's -

Mandara's Brother -

Yeah and Susano'o seems to be very interesting and possess similar effects to Kakashi's. It seems to be able to suck and destroy things sending them to another location/dimension. I believe Kakashi does possess Susano'o. If you've read 392 you'll see the similarities in Kakashi's eye jutsu.

[fang]

Kakashi would only go blind in his left eye, since that is the one with the Sharingan. But, since it is always activated, he would never know he was losing sight in the eye until the eye became completely useless. o.o

Cora . . . yo pics need some work .-.

[Sanctioned]

These are some very interesting observations. *Puts thumb nail in mouth like L*

Btw, Kira needs to be struck by the Grammar Hammer.

[N I R A S H I]

Pictures edited and uploaded.

Also, about Kira's statement. We know the Mangekyou takes up chakra, so it's not only Kakashi's. When we've seen Itachi battle, he tells or Kisame will say, how drained he's becoming from strenous use of the Mangekyou. Hence why he doesn't resort to it all the time and why he doesn't keep it active. So, Kakashi's chakra use for his Mangekyou is suspected.

What's so amazing is how Kakashi can activate the Mangekyou, use its properties, and perform what I believe to be an alternate or water-downed version of Susano'o. He does all this and isn't an Uchiha. Kakashi is truly a force to be reckoned with.

From Leafninja.com

Usage of the Mangekyou techniques drains quite a bit of a user’s chakra, more so than any other normal technique.

[Kazetora Kotonashi]

Kakashi has his own version of the Mangekyou and Susanoo, now then because Kakashi is not of the uchiha bloodline, his version of Mangekyou is weaker, and his Susanoo is differen from Itachi's, so it is possible that they are both versions of Susanoo, and to be honest, we haven't seen Itachi use Suanoo, he just mentions it, but we see him pull out this uber sword from now where.

[N I R A S H I]

shouta said:

Kakashi has his own version of the Mangekyou and Susanoo, now then because Kakashi is not of the uchiha bloodline, his version of Mangekyou is weaker, and his Susanoo is differen from Itachi's, so it is possible that they are both versions of Susanoo, and to be honest, we haven't seen Itachi use Suanoo, he just mentions it, but we see him pull out this uber sword from now where.

I agree with your statement partially Kaze. I don't think Kakashi's Mangekyou is necissarily weaker due to his blood not being that of an Uchiha, but I think it's due to him only having one eye. However, him not being a Uchiha does play a part, I would suspect.

Also keep in mind, Uchiha are just like your standard ninja. They have the same amount of chakra, skills, etc. Being an Uchiha doesn't mean having extra chakra or power, like Naruto w/ Kyuubi, it just means possessing the blood and the possibility of unlocking the Sharingan. Many of us, I believe, forget the Sharingan isn't activated by every Uchiha and we should definitely keep such in mind.

Now not only did Kakashi activate the Sharingan, take it to the 3-tomoe level, but he also activated a Mangekyou. Amazing.

Now Kaze, we have seen some of Itachi's use of Susano'o. When he used the little container or whatever to warp the snake and disenergrate it.

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What Itachi's Susano'o just did, seemed to be what Kakashi does with his little 'Implosion' Jutsu and/or Doujutsu. So I do believe his Susano'o is real too.