Tobi Theories

[Cacophony]

Okay so after watching millions of "tobi is" videos i have realized that everyone who made a video had good points for each. (Excluding my personal favorite, the Ichiraku ramen guy theory) While browsing through the Entertainment Discussions sections, I didnt see a tobi theory post anywhere to my disbelief! Mainly i have come up with a few things that would be a requirement for tobi to be connected to a person. But these all can be 100% wrong because Kishi can do what he wants with his story.

1: Deffinatly an uchiha. He uses the Sharingan to much to be in a transplanted eye situation like kakashi, who said it drains him completely when he uses his sharingan alot.
2: He needs a way to get senju DNA, WHich in the past orochimaru had proven it easy to find. Hence Yamato.
3: He has to be alot older than Kakashi and Obito since he was controlling the 3rd(i think it was third correct me if im wrong) mizukage when it showed Kisame's flash back.
4: He isnt madara because for that to be possible madara would not have been Edo Tensei'd .
5: I personally do not believe that he is a clone, or a perfect creation technique since Kabuto had said to the real Madara, that he had been stronger than he was in his Prime, which had been about the Hashirama face on Madara's chest. To use the perfect creation technique you need to be the sage of six paths. Also if it is a clone of Madara it would have dispursed when he died or got struck.
6: The ones Orochimaru had spoken of to sasuke when sasuke used the Edo tensei on him are most likely connected to the real madara and know the origin of Tobi.
7: The Edo Tensei'd Madara had said something along the lines of "this must be HIS jutsu" and when Kabuto had spoken through muu(second Tsuchikage) he had said he was "HIS underling" or Orochimaru's assistant.
8:During all of the events, every time tobi had appeared he was full grown, with either long hair or short. Which in retrospect, would disprove Tobi theory.
9: IF!!! Tobi was telling the truth to Konan about him giving Nagato his eyes. Then that would mean Tobi is as old. If not older than Jiraya(50ish) Putting him in Second Hokage Era.

With all of these in mind i want to hear what you guys think.
Whose Tobi? What evidence do you have. Also any mistakes you see in my rambling above please let me know and ill fix.

THIS THREAD IS FOR FRIENDLY DISCUSSION. I DO NOT WANNA SEE TRAST TALK BECAUSE SOMEONE SAID HE IS OBITO!. With that being said i also do not just want a tiny He is____ and no evidence behind it. These theories are supposed to be fun and amusing while also trying to figure out Kishimoto's thought process.

After seeing a few replies i'll post my top two theories only because i don't want to see any "fanbus-ing" (not saying you guys will or will not just follow what you see, Just precautionary) Have fun with this and if enough feed back is given we can even hopefully have a poll about this

[pcas]

How about tobi mainly is just madaras brother, which didn't die. Just granted madara his eyes, but then lived on as blind until he was able to get a new sharingan eye. The rinnegan he granted to nagato was prob madaras own, which he had gathered from his dead brother, but since he needed it to be preserved and develop further into stronger eyes, he settled with his current sharingan eye and had nagato have it until he died. Which he then thought it was time to gather it and have it himself as one of the finishing touches for his grand scheme ?

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Also, I don't really he want to do his "evil plans", but rather just have all of the shinobi world to join forces against a common evil, something they will hate more than eachother. And when they finally defeat him, after A LOT of death and destruction, they'll have made such strong bonds to be able to forget those old fights.

[JiMmIyZ - Hel]

Someone made a call about this in one of the manga threads a while back which I agreed with. Sasuke from the future, traveled back through time etc.

[👺 Usiel]

Sasuke's Father. Honest theory. I think it's his father. It's someone that knows both Kakashi and Gai Sensei. Someone old enough around the time of the 4th and during that attack. His father knew about the coupe, and was ready for it. He also knew about Itachi and everything he was going to do. He's head of the Military Force run by the Uchiha so he's obviously strong. Tobi knew about Sasuke and the inner workings of Leaf as well.

Oh and Tobi is known to help Itachi kill off all of the Uchiha.

So, again, my theory? Sasuke's father.

[kuragari]

@heero:

Right after saskue beat itach, didn't tobi show his face to saskue?

3: He has to be alot older than Kakashi and Obito since he was controlling the 3rd(i think it was third correct me if im wrong) mizukage when it showed Kisame's flash back.

I thought they were implying that danzo had been the one controlling the third. That's what it sounded like to me but idk

I also don't really care who tobi is. Unless they dazzle me with his identity and have good subtle hints they can reference, the identity is going to be a let down anyways.

[Cacophony]

The Sasuke's father one was one of the more supported theories. I never quite understood it but it could make sense seeing how Tobi uses a Time-Space Technique. And also Hikaru, Danzo had not been controlling Hiruzen Sarutobi. Danzo was a Higher-up and the leader of the the Foundation. He would have had a say in important decisions in the leaf anyeay . Tobi had been controlling the 3rd Mizukage hpwever, because in Kisame's flash backs of when he was around, I'd say 17,he met with the Mizukage. After killing his master the Mizukage had appeared and from behind the shadows popped out tobi, who Kisame quickly called Madara.

Also if Tobi is a future Sasuke, wouldn't Naruto, Kakashi, and Itachi all be able to sense the same chakra? Naruto also said that the next time he fights Sasuke, that it'd be such a battle that they'd both die. So wouldn't that kill off Naruto? And finally I think the real Madara did say that he infact killed his brother and that the leaf had looked at him as an animal. Althought thats what his brother wanted because he wanted the uchiha to take over the leaf. Which would also put it in the same situation as the future sasuke. Why would Izuna or Sasuke massacure their clans? Izuna would have been 100% for the Leaf being Uchiha run and Sasuke killed the closest family member to him just out of revenge for it. Not trying to disprove anone just trying to shine some light on what i know and what i've heard.

[Kinz]

i forget his name, the uchiha who's eye danzo stoll and then he gave his other to itachi. he was a master of genjutsu, and he fits the build from a body type perspective. he's tricked them all, even itachi and the leaf all this time. His plan is in fact the moons eye thing as he's stated, and his reason is because the Uchiha had put him in the izanami loop for using izanagi, and it annoyed him. he thought he was a god and they punished him for it. So to get revenge after escaping the loop he used his genjutsu skills to show trick danzo into thinking he had gotten his eye. then he tricked the village into thinking the uchiha would rebel, and tricked the uchiha into thinking they should rebel, and he tricked itachi into believing he should work for leafs interests. Then his final trick was erasing his known self via "death" where he then assumed the name of tobi or whatever. The reason he was able to do the kyuubi thing with the naruto's dad was because he used his izanagi 1 time to go back in time but was foiled by the naruto's dad. this closed that eye and thats why he wore the 1 eyed mask throughout that story. after being foiled, izanagi wore off and he was left with only his one eye and its space time jutsu remaining.


i know its a dumb theory, and it's not true. just bs-ing around xD

[Beltran]

Obviously, since it's been said that Rinnegan users can use Izanagi to make real constructs. Such as the Sage of the Six paths breaking the 10 tails into 9 parts.

If Madara achieved the Rinnegan shortly before death, it's entirely possible that as he was dying, he used Izanagi to create an imperfect clone of himself to carry out his Moon's Eye plan, since he himself couldn't do so. So the clone was imperfect, Tobi was born. Casting a Genjutsu on himself to make him act like goofy Tobi until the time was right for him to strike.

So imperfect Madara clone Tobi HAS Obito's eye, the clone to Kakashi's. He had stolen it from Obito's body, we know this now. The fact that Tobi says he is "Nobody" When Naruto asks him only proves the fact that he is actually Nobody but a clone, a copy, a fraud.

[kuragari]

Aug 16, 2012 18:08:51 GMT -7 Beltran said:

Obviously, since it's been said that Rinnegan users can use Izanagi to make real constructs. Such as the Sage of the Six paths breaking the 10 tails into 9 parts.

If Madara achieved the Rinnegan shortly before death, it's entirely possible that as he was dying, he used Izanagi to create an imperfect clone of himself to carry out his Moon's Eye plan, since he himself couldn't do so. So the clone was imperfect, Tobi was born. Casting a Genjutsu on himself to make him act like goofy Tobi until the time was right for him to strike.

So imperfect Madara clone Tobi HAS Obito's eye, the clone to Kakashi's. He had stolen it from Obito's body, we know this now. The fact that Tobi says he is "Nobody" When Naruto asks him only proves the fact that he is actually Nobody but a clone, a copy, a fraud.

this is making incredibly good sense to me :/

[j]

I'm still not giving up on my theory; and that is that Tobi is just some guy who happened to be there. He probly has his own story, and dramas and all that, that lead to current events. But there's no way he's a character that we've seen in the series so far. He's probably just an unnamed Uchiha that has access to all these eyes, and stuff. Another theory that I have is that he's the son of the six paths. The one that descended into what we call the Uchiha today. When the fourth hit him with his rasengan, his arm was like, this weird wax material, which leads me to believe that he was already older than a standard lifetime at that point.

[Mist]

choices choices

• Madaras brother
  
• Obito
  
• Some random unknown uchiha
  
• Kishimoto BS non uchiha person
  
• Kishimoto BS sage of 6 paths
  
• Shisui
  

These are the popular rumor choices on teh interwebs - not mine


i beleive its some random unknown uchiha

[Kinz]

www.memecenter.com/fun/624997/fly-little-ninja-fly

this

[Kikachu]

LOL^^^
Btw definitely the ichiraku ramen

[Chronic]

I think its Obito.....Always have. So, calling it.

[kuragari]

at least we know tobi's not black

[Takeo]

Definitely has to be a Uchiha IMO. He can use the Rinnegan, similar to how Madara can. Without that DNA, he'd probably be beyond screwed in terms of chakra. On the other hand, apparently the First's DNA is spread about more than a 5 dollar whore; maybe he got some Uchiha DNA transplanted into him?

Only thing for certain: he took Obito's eye. Or was born with it. Too bad the kid is way too young unless he lol'd around with time.

[Logi Shimizu]

GUYS I GOT IT. It's Sakura.

JUST KIDDING. It's Master Roshi's turtle from Dragon Ball.

[👺 Usiel]

It's Naruto's Father's evil twin brother.

[奥田 (Okuda)]

Its Minatao's evil twin brothers' college roommates, nephews pizza delivery guy...yes it is in fact Timmy the wheelchair kid from South Park all grown up! [cues dramatic music]

[ryo]

I believe that Tobi is an Edo Tensei'd Izuna. Like his brother Madara, Izuna was probably able to break out of Edo Tensei's hold. He would have an undying body, which would explain why he's been around for so long. Perhaps it was Madara who brought his brother back. Idk.

/2cents