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The other Mangekyo in his left eye wasn't his, because well, Kakashi had the original. The only thing that makes sense is that somehow his brain and eye weren't crushed, because his face is so obviously scarred. The other part that makes sense, is that his right side was crushed. Because as you can see in his fight with Minato, his right side is made of some kind of wax.
Maybe it's a White Zetsu clone of Obito? Remember? They can completely copy chakra.
Also, it makes perfect sense. Zetsu's a clone of the first Hokage, correct?
In his fight with Konan, Obito said that and I quote "Only those with the power of the Senju and Uchiha can use this" When he uses Izanagi. Either he's half white Zetsu clone or full white Zetsu clone.
Last Edit: Aug 29, 2012 15:59:29 GMT -7 by Beltran
Not to mention he fought the.. first or second Hokage, and Minato.
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Post by Jimarai Kotetsu on Aug 29, 2012 23:14:34 GMT -7
Yeah ... I think there might be more to it than it just being Obito - Could just be Obito's physical body and the spirit of someone else (maybe ACTUALLY Madara?) Because the whole take over the world thing and control everyone thing doesn't fit Obito's character - even if Rin did commit suicide/die.
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Post by 奥田 (Okuda) on Aug 29, 2012 23:29:55 GMT -7
problem with that jimarai: how do you explain Madara's soul being in two places at once then? because whilst all this happened, the whole Tobi thing, the Five Kage's were fighting an Edo Tensei'd Madara, can't remember if they got rid of him 'cause I'm dumb lol, but still I DOUBT its a Kage Bunshin, it would have gone away once it took a real strong hit, like a Rasengan or some such attack.
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Ah right, one other controversy for you. Tobi Obito supposedly gave the Rinnegan to Nagato. However, this took place before Obito "died", so there's something wrong here. We need to wait till next week, cause it doesn't make complete sense. The only thing that makes sense is that Obito hates Kakashi. We can see that based on the flashbacks.
However, now that I think about it, Obito and Kakashi became friends before he died...
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Post by Haku Genkyo on Sept 2, 2012 1:04:13 GMT -7
Going to put a few more things in.
In the Pein arc Naruto was able to sense the absence of Kakashi's chakra. Now when Danzo came into contact with Ao having stolen and implanted Shisui's Sharingan, he ws instantly recognized as having different chakra. Shouldn't Naruto be able to sense the same Chakra that's in Kakashi is in Obito? Or maybe this is because only Naruto can sense Kakashi's chakra and not Obito's within Kakashi.
During his fight with Konan which other Sharingan does he have?
He has two sharingan here but only ever revealed one eye (this is before he got the Rinnegan).
Nagato was a Rinnegan user and an Uzumaki so maybe the criteria for the Rinnegan is different and you have to be a Senju to use it. In his battle with Konan he more or less said he was both Senju and both Uchiha. This leads to the theory that his other half is a Zetsu like creation. It would explain his Tobi happy go lucky attitude, regenerative abilities, use the Rinnegan and be both half Senju and half Uchiha.
This might also explain how he was able to become so powerful within a year of his "death" at the age of 13 and coming back to fight the 4th at the age of 14 when Naruto was born.
I'm not sure what they were saying here and I can't really remember it all! Couldn't, no shouldn't Hinata be able to tell someone that Kakashi and Tobi have the same fucking chakra in their eyes!
Last Edit: Sept 2, 2012 1:52:09 GMT -7 by Haku Genkyo
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No, because it's not the same chakra. It may be the same eye, but Obito's chakra wouldn't linger like that. At this point, I'm assuming that the eye Obito gave to Kakashi is just as much Kakashi's eye as it was Obito's. Remember, it's been like, nearly 20 years since Obito "died".
Post by zenoske1ryu on Sept 2, 2012 17:56:33 GMT -7
Personally I think Tobi was never meant to be Obito. Doesn't seem to have a great deal of thought put into it, and is full of plot holes as like Heero says within a year he improves so much that he can fight the 4th kage. I think the most realistic idea is that the writer of the manga has been influenced by the fans, and thus changed who Tobi is.
But on a separate note, having two sharingan isn't really that big of a deal. After all when he gave sasuke the transplant didn't he have a room full of them?
It's the Mangekyo. He didn't have it before, and he had it when he fought the 4th. Fighting somebody that's not particularly skilled at fighting, and fighting somebody that can basically make himself intangible are two completely different things. It made the fight quite a bit more challenging.
No, because it's not the same chakra. It may be the same eye, but Obito's chakra wouldn't linger like that. At this point, I'm assuming that the eye Obito gave to Kakashi is just as much Kakashi's eye as it was Obito's. Remember, it's been like, nearly 20 years since Obito "died".
It had been 16 years in total from the day Kakashi got his eye to the current story arc. Now Danzo got his eye of Shisui 8 years later when Itachi aged 13 killed his clan off. So if 8 years isn't long enough for the chakra to disperse then why is 16? The thing I'm referring to is when Ao caught out Danzo.
As for Obito becoming so powerful all of a sudden, Usiel and Jun both made valid points. Usiel said something along the lines of if Sasuke could do more or less nothing and then suddenly go from being weak as piss to godlike in strength than Obito surely would be able to have an equal spike in strength.
Combine Obito's ability of his space time jutsu with the third tier Sharingan's ability he would be a match for any senior shinobi.
Last Edit: Sept 4, 2012 18:24:05 GMT -7 by Haku Genkyo
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